On the mend, but still questions: UPDATE, 20 week old banty wormy as heck,

[lalaland]

Looking for information on this:

1. Can I add corid to water laced with duramycin? I want to have her on corid for a few days before she is returned to the flock.


It snowed this morning, making return to the flock a bit trickier. If she is on duramycin for only 7 days, and can have corid now with duramycin, I could try reintegrating her into the flock this weekend on Sat am. I don't want to put her back in without being able to see that she is able to hold her own, and is able to get to food and water, and can navigate the ramp - coop entrance is about 4 feet off the ground so the ramp is a bit steep.

This morning when I wake her (its still dark outside), I'll be checking to see if her crop has emptied during the night. Then, liver, try to get her some exercise, and just maybe try her outside for a short time with the flock. Uncertain about this since it snowed for the first time during the night, and I have 11 newbies to snow who will likely need some coaxing to venture out of the coop and there is limited room under the coop that is snow free - should be lots of jostling and maybe not the best time to return a tiny weak banty in with 19 healty full size chickens.

while I am very grateful that she is still here, I am not always as patient as I need to be with a long invalid period. Mrs. Murphy has been inside the kennel in the house for a long time! two weeks now.

 

[lalaland]

Seems to me you saw a good improvement after the one day of Corid. Yea probably shouldn't mix with antibiotics.

thats what I was thinking, but am hoping it is possible to do both.

 

[delisha]

She is not going to have the reserve to do all day outside yet. It is going to be twice the recovery period. Another month at least. Put her out with supervision when you can as you can. The problem is going to be..you have stripped her of any interior reserves and immunities. There are a ton of bacteria and cocci out in the coop you are introducing her to. There are 7 varieties of cocci. She simply does not have any immunities left in her. She is going to relapse if introduced too soon.

If you have LABS use them in the coop. If you don't have them, make them. Get the coop to a healthy level and try to do the exact same to her living quarters she is living in now. Put a handful of coop litter in her bedding after you start the labs. In another week , add some of the run debris to her living quarters..I think you get the idea...She needs to start building immunities in smaller doses in a controlled environment.
You have to remember you are treating symptoms of what her problem is, you still do not know what her core issue is. Birds do not simply get worms and cocci, just because. There is always an underlying issue.


For example:
1 under lying/Core issue might be spoiled or spilled feed in coop attracting molds and rodents/ Find a solution
If you are feeding in the coop..stop
Feed outdoors

 

[aoxa]

She is not going to have the reserve to do all day outside yet. It is going to be twice the recovery period. Another month at least. Put her out with supervision when you can as you can. The problem is going to be..you have stripped her of any interior reserves and immunities. There are a ton of bacteria and cocci out in the coop you are introducing her to. There are 7 varieties of cocci. She simply does not have any immunities left in her. She is going to relapse if introduced too soon.

If you have LABS use them in the coop. If you don't have them, make them. Get the coop to a healthy level and try to do the exact same to her living quarters she is living in now. Put a handful of coop litter in her bedding after you start the labs. In another week , add some of the run debris to her living quarters..I think you get the idea...She needs to start building immunities in smaller doses in a controlled environment.
You have to remember you are treating symptoms of what her problem is, you still do not know what her core issue is. Birds do not simply get worms and cocci, just because. There is always an underlying issue.


For example:
1 under lying/Core issue might be spoiled or spilled feed in coop attracting molds and rodents/ Find a solution
If you are feeding in the coop..stop
Feed outdoors

http://gilcarandang.com/recipes/lactobacillus-serum/
Here is the link you gave me to make it Del.

 

[aoxa]

Don't worry too much about her having chicken buddies inside right now. Margaret spent two months in the house in the winter. It made her think she was human, but she never seemed upset about it..

I do think she will need a couple bantam buddies though eventually.

 

[Leahs Mom]

I also think she'll need time to stabilize and grow stronger, and as part of that, I also question the wisdom of putting more meds in her system (read: corid).

Just my thoughts here, but I think that when the anti-biotics are done I'd hold off on any other meds and try to re-build her strength and immune system. If it appeared that she was going downhill rather than growing stronger then I might re-visit other options.

During the rebuilding process, I'd go with probiotics.
Rebuilding her intestinal flora is important. Some lacto-fermented feed; a bit of yogurt or live culture buttermilk (I say a bit as I don't think I'd give very much dairy). Maybe even some of the probiotic powder that is designed specifically for poultry put into her feed (probably a better option in the short-run than the dairy sources).

Here are a couple of poultry probiotic powders. You can top dress these into feed or some can go in the waterer (I think I prefer the feed option myself). You can take a look at ingredients and see if any sound better than another to you.:

http://www.probioticsmart.com/farm/probios-poultry-soluble-5-gram-treats-5-000-birds-at-a-time.html

http://www.mypetchicken.com/catalog/Chicken-Health/Probiotic-Bird-Powder-16-oz-p978.aspx

http://www.jefferspet.com/poultry-probiotics/camid/liv/cc/36031/

 

[Mtn Laurel]

Glad that she's continuing to improve!

When my gal was sick and taking the Duramycin, it took several days for the green to disappear from her poop and she wasn't nearly as sick as your gal was. The one thing she would eat was plain yogurt. Actually, vanilla flavored as it was the only type I could find at my store in the larger container. I didn't give her a huge amount - just a tablespoon or so daily - but she scoffed it down even when she was at her sickest.

The next thing she went for was fermented feed which, for me, is just moistened layer pellets with a much smaller amount of crimped oats and BOSS fermented with unpasteurized ACV. If not fermented, maybe she would at least go for feed moistened into a mash/gruel.

Good luck to you both and hang in there!

 

[lalaland]

She is not going to have the reserve to do all day outside yet. It is going to be twice the recovery period. Another month at least. Put her out with supervision when you can as you can. The problem is going to be..you have stripped her of any interior reserves and immunities. There are a ton of bacteria and cocci out in the coop you are introducing her to. There are 7 varieties of cocci. She simply does not have any immunities left in her. She is going to relapse if introduced too soon.

If you have LABS use them in the coop. If you don't have them, make them. Get the coop to a healthy level and try to do the exact same to her living quarters she is living in now. Put a handful of coop litter in her bedding after you start the labs. In another week , add some of the run debris to her living quarters..I think you get the idea...She needs to start building immunities in smaller doses in a controlled environment.
You have to remember you are treating symptoms of what her problem is, you still do not know what her core issue is. Birds do not simply get worms and cocci, just because. There is always an underlying issue.


For example:
1 under lying/Core issue might be spoiled or spilled feed in coop attracting molds and rodents/ Find a solution
If you are feeding in the coop..stop
Feed outdoor

this is a good reality check, delisha.
I will make LABS, and thank you Justine for the link.
I think the coop is healthy - there is deep litter, fresh air, no feed or water inside.
The deep litter isn't a composting thing, I've never been able to achieve that as it is dry and dusty in the summer, and wet and damp but freezing in the winter, I add hay/straw/leaves but the hens dont' really stir it up since the hay or straw is too long for them.

Sue/Leah's mom, I have forgotten to give her probiotics - she is still saying no to yogurt. I have poultry probiotics on hand.

I think I am going to have to make a list and post it of what I need to do daily with her.

I do agree about the unknown underlying issue, and not understanding how she got into this fix in the first place.

MtnLaurel, I've been worrying about the green in her droppings, it is good to hear that your girl took a bit of time after the antibiotics to have the green go away.

going to sit down with morning coffee and make a plan.
thank you all!

 

[Leahs Mom]

lala... what brand of probiotics do you use? My nutri-balancer mineral mix has probiotics in it so I haven't purchased any separately. But I plan on getting some. Just wondering what brand you've used.

 

[delisha]

You might consider tube feeding her if she is not putting on weight too.