Orientals from Ideal

yellowherb

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Mar 22, 2015
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There's some really old topics about hatchery orientals. I feel that since that has not been updated in a while it's time to show some.

I bought some Malay, Shamo, Thai's and Saipans from Ideal. I'm not familiar with any of these breeds, never had any before or knew anyone who did. These are my experiences with hatchery orientals of the breeds mentioned above. I may have the Thai and Shamo reversed, both chicks look so similar. The chicks are about 2 to 2.5months old right now.

My order was
2 saipan pullets
1 rooster saipan
2 SR malay
2 SR Thai
2 SR Shamo.

As far as I know I have not lost a chick. There's been no carcass found. What ended up with is this..
2 Saipan roosters
1 Saipan pullet
2 Malay roosters
1 malay pullet(maybe she's shamo, but she's not black)
1 shamo
2 thai roosters

Saipans: I thought my interest would be in the Saipans so I tried to get a sustainable trio to breed with and play with. I actually am not interested in the Saipans at all except the pullet. The roosters are stand offish and not at all friendly. They are not as aggressive as I expected but not docile either! The pullet is sweet and will eat from my hand and allow me to pet her. I plan to pass the roosters on.

Malay: I was intrigued by the breed and wanted to see how this turned out. The two (three) malay I received are some seriously nasty birds. While they were all roughly the same size as the other orientals recently the 2 malay roosters had a growth spurt. With that spurt came game. Every morning I was seeing a lot of sparring with the malay being most aggressive. They even attacked their coop mates who have been raised with them and are slightly older(but smaller) than they are. My husband found them attacking some younger chicks I had out to free range too. The two biggest were sold on today. Too aggressive for me. The reviews on BYC from several years ago said the orientals from hatcheries had lost their game..I'm pretty darned sure someone found it and gave it back! Highly intelligent and a great climber. They like to be up high.

Thai: I have two who were black and yellow chicks and slightly smaller than the others so I assume these are the Thai and not the shamo. They are nice birds, but not to other birds. Both are very friendly with me to the point they will jump all over me for mealworms. They allow me to pick them up without much fuss. They are aggressive to other chicks when it's mealworm time or if one crosses the path in front of where they are heading. They are growing out to be beautiful with shiny, iridescent feathers. They are smart and will get into the mealworms. You can see their intelligence working behind their eyes as they ponder how to steal the worms.

Shamo: This is the only one I've named. He was the first one who would greet me for mealworms. He was first to let me touch him willingly and to get in my lap (for mealworms). In the beginning he seemed as if he was going to grow faster than the others but he's currently smaller than the Malay. He's heavy for his size. Intelligent and does OK with the other chicks he was raised with. He's not passive by any means. You may question his intelligence when you find out he took on my mature sultan rooster. At 2.5months old he's decided he was most dominate bird. The sultan does not have spurs and is only 6 months old so I let them hash it out. I was planning to keep the shamo Alfie and thought he needs to know he's not top rooster and to stick to his own side of the yard. I'm afraid it's going to be a bloodbath for the sultan rooster when Alfie gets older if I do not contain him. I had planned on keeping Alfie and even ordered him some shamo females, due to arrive tomorrow. Now I see that in order to keep Alfie I will have to build him a coop and run. He can not be allowed with the passive breeds of chickens that free range in the back yard. He's like a puppy and will follow me all over the place. I really hope I can keep him.
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Thai roosters

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2 Saipan roosters (2 serama in the background)

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Alfie Shamo(?)

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Fuzzy pic of malay in the bowl, saipan pullet behind, siapan roo and I believe a thai behind him

They may be hatchery mutts but they have breed the game back into them since old reviews. I would not recommend trying to run any one of these with a normal flock of chickens.
 

JRNash

Crowing
May 16, 2015
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I've got the same breeds around 4weeks old now. I've raised Saipan (non hatchery) and really liked them. They had zero aggression towards PEOPLE. My ideal Malay are very aggressive towards each other.
 

JRNash

Crowing
May 16, 2015
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Mauriceville,Texas
There's some really old topics about hatchery orientals. I feel that since that has not been updated in a while it's time to show some.

I bought some Malay, Shamo, Thai's and Saipans from Ideal. I'm not familiar with any of these breeds, never had any before or knew anyone who did. These are my experiences with hatchery orientals of the breeds mentioned above. I may have the Thai and Shamo reversed, both chicks look so similar. The chicks are about 2 to 2.5months old right now.

My order was
2 saipan pullets
1 rooster saipan
2 SR malay
2 SR Thai
2 SR Shamo.

As far as I know I have not lost a chick. There's been no carcass found. What ended up with is this..
2 Saipan roosters
1 Saipan pullet
2 Malay roosters
1 malay pullet(maybe she's shamo, but she's not black)
1 shamo
2 thai roosters

Saipans: I thought my interest would be in the Saipans so I tried to get a sustainable trio to breed with and play with. I actually am not interested in the Saipans at all except the pullet. The roosters are stand offish and not at all friendly. They are not as aggressive as I expected but not docile either! The pullet is sweet and will eat from my hand and allow me to pet her. I plan to pass the roosters on.

Malay: I was intrigued by the breed and wanted to see how this turned out. The two (three) malay I received are some seriously nasty birds. While they were all roughly the same size as the other orientals recently the 2 malay roosters had a growth spurt. With that spurt came game. Every morning I was seeing a lot of sparring with the malay being most aggressive. They even attacked their coop mates who have been raised with them and are slightly older(but smaller) than they are. My husband found them attacking some younger chicks I had out to free range too. The two biggest were sold on today. Too aggressive for me. The reviews on BYC from several years ago said the orientals from hatcheries had lost their game..I'm pretty darned sure someone found it and gave it back! Highly intelligent and a great climber. They like to be up high.

Thai: I have two who were black and yellow chicks and slightly smaller than the others so I assume these are the Thai and not the shamo. They are nice birds, but not to other birds. Both are very friendly with me to the point they will jump all over me for mealworms. They allow me to pick them up without much fuss. They are aggressive to other chicks when it's mealworm time or if one crosses the path in front of where they are heading. They are growing out to be beautiful with shiny, iridescent feathers. They are smart and will get into the mealworms. You can see their intelligence working behind their eyes as they ponder how to steal the worms.

Shamo: This is the only one I've named. He was the first one who would greet me for mealworms. He was first to let me touch him willingly and to get in my lap (for mealworms). In the beginning he seemed as if he was going to grow faster than the others but he's currently smaller than the Malay. He's heavy for his size. Intelligent and does OK with the other chicks he was raised with. He's not passive by any means. You may question his intelligence when you find out he took on my mature sultan rooster. At 2.5months old he's decided he was most dominate bird. The sultan does not have spurs and is only 6 months old so I let them hash it out. I was planning to keep the shamo Alfie and thought he needs to know he's not top rooster and to stick to his own side of the yard. I'm afraid it's going to be a bloodbath for the sultan rooster when Alfie gets older if I do not contain him. I had planned on keeping Alfie and even ordered him some shamo females, due to arrive tomorrow. Now I see that in order to keep Alfie I will have to build him a coop and run. He can not be allowed with the passive breeds of chickens that free range in the back yard. He's like a puppy and will follow me all over the place. I really hope I can keep him.
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Thai roosters

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2 Saipan roosters (2 serama in the background)

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Alfie Shamo(?)

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Fuzzy pic of malay in the bowl, saipan pullet behind, siapan roo and I believe a thai behind him

They may be hatchery mutts but they have breed the game back into them since old reviews. I would not recommend trying to run any one of these with a normal flock of chickens.
 

yellowherb

Songster
5 Years
Mar 22, 2015
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184
171
Florida
JRNash, you will like the Malay I think. Mine had not got old enough yet to be really aggressive but it was heading that way. They were the most aggressive towards the other males. The shamo surprised me with his aggressiveness towards the more mature rooster. I've never seen a chick even try to take on a older rooster. I think that shamo of mine is a crazy little guy.

His girls came today. I ordered 2 malay pullets and 3 shamo pullets. Plus threw in a few Cornish in the red lace color just because I like it. Lots of packing peanuts to keep the girls warm, although the malay at the top left looks roosterish to me already.
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yellowherb

Songster
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Mar 22, 2015
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Florida
I spent some time watching them yesterday. The orientals run in a pack. They are first there when I call them, all are super intelligent. The Saipans are the least aggressive and will not even challenge or stand off with the shamo. They will stand off against a docile chicken like the sultans and serama, but leave the other orientals alone.

I can't say much about the malay roosters since I sold them, but the Saipans have hit another growth spurt and are standing even more upright than before. They look like they will be fairly large chickens as they are meant to be. The shamo is smaller and probably not a O Shamo but the mid sized. He's right along size with the two Thai roosters. They are showing a lot of aggression.

I am madly in love with all of these. I wish I could keep them all but their aggressiveness will mean that in the end I can only keep 1 rooster with some hens. My choice is the Shamo but I am going to hold on to the Saipans as long as I can. I really want to see them mature.

One of the original brown chicks which I have always assumed is a malay pullet has a naked neck. Disappointed in that. I did not order the Madagascar since I don't care for naked necks. I'm hoping it's just chick feathering and she will grow some more neck feathers eventually. She has some feathers, but when she stands upright the majority of the front of her neck is naked.
 

TinyBirds

Songster
10 Years
Jul 9, 2009
779
82
181
Texas
Saipan love love love! I have 9 cockerels and 7 pullets, adore them all! They are about 4 months old and very big. I raised 3 lf laced cornish boys with them but they were too aggressive and ended up in the stew pot already. I love the saipan, so friendly, so haven't eaten one yet. The boys chase each other around but so far haven't picked any fights with my other breeds, including some bantams.
 

Shamo Hybrid

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Jun 6, 2018
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Any update on these Oriental chickens? How much did you pay for them and do they still sell them? They are my favorite!! :)
 

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