Willawong Hill
Songster
I think that no matter what theory you go with a paint paired with a recessive white will not give paint chicks, the other bird has to be black (or black based at least- blue might work) or dominant white.
Where the two theories (there are paint splits vs there no paint splits) differ is if those chicks could produce paint when bred to one another/back to the rooster.
Hope we're finally starting to answer your question.
You might be interested in this response i got on the spectacular silkies thread, seems to be saying no paint splits, but that perhaps some genetically paint birds look either all black or all white so may behave like a paint when breeding:
I just started breeding paints recently but I'd be happy to explain it as I understand it.
If you consider a white split a bird with 2 copies of dominant white from paint parents, a black split a bird with two copies of black from paint parents, and a paint a bird with one copy of dominant white and one copy of black then this chart is only half accurate.
I don't really use the term split myself since it indicates the bird/other animal is carrying one copy of a recessive gene that needs two copies to show. Paints generally do not behave that way (there have been some anomalies but they seem to be rare).
I'll use the terms on the chart for simplicity sake though.
On the chart Paint x black split and paint x paint is accurate from my understanding.
Black split x white split should only give you paints.
white split x white split should only give white split.
I think the confusion happens because some birds that are genetically paint (one copy of dominant white and one copy of black) are very poorly marked and may appear completely white. They are mistakenly called white splits and if bred to a black then you can get black and paint from that breeding, and when breeding to a white split you could get some paint offspring.
As far as breeding two black splits together and getting paint it most likely won't happen but this is where the anomaly I mentioned comes in. I have heard it can rarely occur. I remember Judy Lee the one who started the US paints mentioning she has had some paints out of her black splits. If I'm remembering right she mentioned something like 95% hatching black but a few hatching as well marked paints. It's just idle speculation but it makes me wonder if occasionally you'll get a bird that is genetically paint that won't express the dominant white for some reason??? Interesting stuff for sure!
Where the two theories (there are paint splits vs there no paint splits) differ is if those chicks could produce paint when bred to one another/back to the rooster.
Hope we're finally starting to answer your question.
You might be interested in this response i got on the spectacular silkies thread, seems to be saying no paint splits, but that perhaps some genetically paint birds look either all black or all white so may behave like a paint when breeding:
I just started breeding paints recently but I'd be happy to explain it as I understand it.
If you consider a white split a bird with 2 copies of dominant white from paint parents, a black split a bird with two copies of black from paint parents, and a paint a bird with one copy of dominant white and one copy of black then this chart is only half accurate.
I don't really use the term split myself since it indicates the bird/other animal is carrying one copy of a recessive gene that needs two copies to show. Paints generally do not behave that way (there have been some anomalies but they seem to be rare).
I'll use the terms on the chart for simplicity sake though.
On the chart Paint x black split and paint x paint is accurate from my understanding.
Black split x white split should only give you paints.
white split x white split should only give white split.
I think the confusion happens because some birds that are genetically paint (one copy of dominant white and one copy of black) are very poorly marked and may appear completely white. They are mistakenly called white splits and if bred to a black then you can get black and paint from that breeding, and when breeding to a white split you could get some paint offspring.
As far as breeding two black splits together and getting paint it most likely won't happen but this is where the anomaly I mentioned comes in. I have heard it can rarely occur. I remember Judy Lee the one who started the US paints mentioning she has had some paints out of her black splits. If I'm remembering right she mentioned something like 95% hatching black but a few hatching as well marked paints. It's just idle speculation but it makes me wonder if occasionally you'll get a bird that is genetically paint that won't express the dominant white for some reason??? Interesting stuff for sure!
