Paint Silkies ~ European Lines

[Sonoran Silkies]

Genes inherit; or they don't. If dominant, they should show in phenotype (appearance), and if they do not, it indicates that they are not present. Recessive genes and spontaneous mutations happen. No bird is genetically "perfect." Breeding a bird who looks perfect is as good as breeding one who "ought" to be perfect. No one should ever expect 100% "perfect" birds from any breeding. Perfect is a perception, not a reality.

 

[robin416]

Brody's Broodello :

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LOL don't you just love it? At this point in time there are more questions than answers regarding paint and now there's a brohaha going on about what constitutes paint and what can or can not be bred to it.

In a nutshell, I don't think it matters what color we use. I've bred paint to black and paint to white. Out of both breedings I got other colors along with the paint. So, until there is more understanding on how it works they can wear themselves out arguing over it.

The gist of the uproar from what I can see was that the pics of the bird do not look like what the world is calling paint. Yes you can have two colors on the same bird, no one on that thread said differently. The questions being raised where that the bird appeared to be more splash than paint. Also the other question at hand is what is being done with those solid chicks from paint breeding. Are they being used in a paint program, or are they being used in a standard color breeding. If they are like other animals in the passing of color genetics. In the following generations will we see off coloring if they are used in a standard color program. ie black body spots in lets say buff, or pigment holes in others. That was a conversation that took place by a few silkie breeders at a recent National Show. I guess the question is, by breeding paint and taking those "solid" offspring, mixing them into more solid colors, will there be a backlash in the future taking the standard colors in a direction that would need a few generations to get back to where they are now?​

I guess the question is, by breeding paint and taking those "solid" offspring, mixing them into more solid colors, will there be a backlash in the future taking the standard colors in a direction that would need a few generations to get back to where they are now? I've asked myself that same question many times. The answer is going to be, breed them. We already know what to expect most of the time when mixing up standard colors but the paint is so different from the way standard colors behave I don't think any one can answer that question until consistent breeding is done.

We already have people out there mixing up standard colors and not informing buyers when they buy birds or hatching eggs. So, unless the original breeder is up front with a purchaser about how a certain color came about it won't be something new.

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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Who said anything about "perfect" ?

 

[ultra1classic]

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Amazing how peoples perceptions vary...you were not attacked by any means...you posted a bad oc of the roo that made him appear splash...don't think anyone came across as a know-it all..the best part is you have still failed to answer the simple question; have u hatched from this pairing? If so what results did u get

 

[hoppy]

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Amazing how peoples perceptions vary...you were not attacked by any means...you posted a bad oc of the roo that made him appear splash...don't think anyone came across as a know-it all..the best part is you have still failed to answer the simple question; have u hatched from this pairing? If so what results did u get

the eggs are in the incubator right now. I live in ,maine, not many people are hatching right now since it gets pretty cold here and having babies inside all winter is not what too many people want. So I do have babies developing in the 9 eggs I have in the incubator. I can already see you are not interested in buying so why does my auction interest you so much? what is a "OC"? the picture of the bird with the trophies is my splash that has won best in show twice. she is a splash and I am breeding her to my paint which is white and black. I have labelled all the pictures posted so people know which is the splash, which is the blue partridge, the blue and the roo, a well as what my sizzle pen has produced from the bonus eggs. I even added new pictures of him yesterday.

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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Amazing how peoples perceptions vary...you were not attacked by any means...you posted a bad oc of the roo that made him appear splash...don't think anyone came across as a know-it all..the best part is you have still failed to answer the simple question; have u hatched from this pairing? If so what results did u get

the eggs are in the incubator right now. I live in ,maine, not many people are hatching right now since it gets pretty cold here and having babies inside all winter is not what too many people want. So I do have babies developing in the 9 eggs I have in the incubator. I can already see you are not interested in buying so why does my auction interest you so much? what is a "OC"? the picture of the bird with the trophies is my splash that has won best in show twice. she is a splash and I am breeding her to my paint which is white and black. I have labelled all the pictures posted so people know which is the splash, which is the blue partridge, the blue and the roo, a well as what my sizzle pen has produced from the bonus eggs. I even added new pictures of him yesterday.

oc = means Off Color

If you don't mind my asking, what shows did your splash win? I don't remember hearing ( reading in the poultry press) about any silkies taking a Super Grand at any shows, which is Very rare since there is a lot of judges who do not like to place silkies on champion row.

 

[friedeggs]

I guess the question is, by breeding paint and taking those "solid" offspring, mixing them into more solid colors, will there be a backlash in the future taking the standard colors in a direction that would need a few generations to get back to where they are now? I've asked myself that same question many times. The answer is going to be, breed them. We already know what to expect most of the time when mixing up standard colors but the paint is so different from the way standard colors behave I don't think any one can answer that question until consistent breeding is done.

Why in the world would you ever tell a new breeder or any breeder at all to do this?
Please where are the NON internet breeders? Ones that know it is highly important to keep pens pure? The old school breeders. Im mean the non milling out birds for profit or the I need to have it because its hot breeders? LOL, some people will believe anything they hear.
Another plane going down in flames. Just like those poor self blues.​

 

[robin416]

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Why in the world would you ever tell a new breeder or any breeder at all to do this?
Please where are the NON internet breeders? Ones that know it is highly important to keep pens pure? The old school breeders. Im mean the non milling out birds for profit or the I need to have it because its hot breeders? LOL, some people will believe anything they hear.
Another plane going down in flames. Just like those poor self blues.

Actually I've been breeding Silkies for many years. White has always been my focus. So your blanket statement is way out of line. Actually I've been breeding Silkies far longer than you.

NO one knows for certain what will happen because we do not understand how paint works yet. There is even conversation back & forth about what gene it is or that it is even the function of a specific gene. The old time breeders got answers by breeding, they didn't know what would happen until they did. So, as long as we keep good records, we are repeating what was done in the past to get understanding.

I was one of the first to breed to white. My results were very, very good. But, as yet, I don't know what will happen with these young birds when breeding down the line. No one does. So, to say that being a true breeder and keeping pens pure you are way off the mark. Whites have been used for years to improve type in other varieties. To say keep pens pure you are implying that the long time breeders like George Mahalick had no clue what he was doing. Because George did mix his varieties for many reasons.

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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Never mind..not worth it

with my luck i'd get in a group lottery pool and the person that bought the tickets would make off with the money...just crazy

how is this relevant?

Hoppy~ Still would like to know when & where your breeder birds won the Super Grand wins. Thanks

 

[hoppy]

Brody's Broodello :

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the eggs are in the incubator right now. I live in ,maine, not many people are hatching right now since it gets pretty cold here and having babies inside all winter is not what too many people want. So I do have babies developing in the 9 eggs I have in the incubator. I can already see you are not interested in buying so why does my auction interest you so much? what is a "OC"? the picture of the bird with the trophies is my splash that has won best in show twice. she is a splash and I am breeding her to my paint which is white and black. I have labelled all the pictures posted so people know which is the splash, which is the blue partridge, the blue and the roo, a well as what my sizzle pen has produced from the bonus eggs. I even added new pictures of him yesterday.

oc = means Off Color

If you don't mind my asking, what shows did your splash win? I don't remember hearing ( reading in the poultry press) about any silkies taking a Super Grand at any shows, which is Very rare since there is a lot of judges who do not like to place silkies on champion row.​

http://www.centralmainebirdfanciers.org/CMBF_Fall_Show_2011_Results.htm
central maine bird fanciers fall 2011 show and northen new england bird fanciers fall show 2011.
sorry I don't have a link for that show.