Partridge Silkies - Nothing else

[ChickNmamma]

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The one at the top (1st pic) looks Gold or Golden, the one in the middle looks Silver. Since you said he was the yellow chick, that means the top chick, and he could be Gold or Golden based, which means ...

GENETICS - SKIP OVER FUR N FEATHERS:

Chick down shows the Gold/Silver bases better than adult feathers. It also can show the color base better which you will not see once they get their adult feathers. The modifiers come into play when the chick down disappears, and it changes again and again through the juvenile molts until the adult feathers. Some people talk about black chicks being black and yellow or black and white when they are babies. The black and white ones are silver based, the black and yellow ones are gold based. When they get older they become all black birds with no base showing, except the gold based ones have really good green sheen to their black feathers. If you are doing blacks, you want gold bases for the green sheen. If you are doing whites, you want silver bases for the whitest whites and NO gold leakage (because they are silver the silver leakage doesn't always show). As they get older the modifiers can loose their potency too - so you will find some male birds starting to show leakage as they age if the color was covered by a modifier.

If he is Gold he carries two Gold genes. If he is Golden he carries both Gold and Silver genes. His sister was Silver (she only received, carries and gives one gene to her kids, its sex linked), so I suspect he may be Golden. He looks Blue right now -but he shows the male patch red which is a modifier of Gold, which is why I suspected he carried Gold. He may get more yellow/gold feathers on his neck and saddle as he gets older. He may also get more Partridge markings which would make him a Blue Partridge. If he does not get any more Partridge markings then he would be Blue with red leakage. He might work in a Partridge pen to produce Blue Partridge chicks, he is half way there. I would not put him in a Black/Blue/Splash pen because the red/gold leakage is not wanted in that breeding. Pretty much the only color where that red is wanted is Partridge - or true Red Silkies, but I have never seen a true Red Silkie, only dark buffs with red leakage (I have one boy like that).

I hope you are enjoying playing with the color calculator!

 

[ChickNmamma]

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I love picking Sonoran Silkies' brains - and I tell my self "YAY" every time her post agrees with what I said! It means I got it RIGHT! I gave myself TWO yays today!
*blush* thank you

All over soft coloring.. pretty. Ok - is there a thread for Isabel Silkies? Or is that on the Self Blue thread too? Page 11 so far, noticing people breeding Self Blues to B/B/S pens, would not be my choice - one recessive and one incomplete dominant to keep track of... Also noticing people who were breeding them at the start no longer list Lavender or Self Blue in their signature lines.. makes me go hmmmm......
It is pretty difficult to find folks who are still breeding lavenders.

Right off the bat that one person was saying Lavender was diluting her splits - that made no sense.. The "regular light bulb in the 3 way lamp" was an excellent analogy to explain how recessive genes work.. but I wonder if there aren't subtle things that a recessive gene can do - so subtle you wouldn't notice them unless you were looking specifically for them. More Hmmmms... perhaps combined with other genes it could create a leakage that wouldn't be there without the recessive gene... more Hmmmmm.
I never saw tjhe three-way light bulb analogy... There was discussion on The Coop about subtle things that recessives might do...with lavender there was no consensus that one copy does anything. Mottling can appear on juvenile feathers, and to a slight extent even on adult feathers when a bird has only one copy. I've sen this in my own birds; they tend to lose the mottling more and more with each molt.

My mom is a visual person too - I have to remember when I talk to her not to talk in abstracts - if she can't visualize it she can't grasp it. Please ignore between the Hmmmmms above

- thinking aloud and hoping Sonoran has answers...
Thank you again! Yes, I love picking your brain. I am on page 101 on the Self Blue/Lavender thread and so far I agree every time I see your posts (especially about the "breeders" who are selling eggs before they even get their birds

). I do not agree with quite a few others, but I notice they do not breed Lavenders any more, they have "moved on to more Popular Colors" - and still calling it Porcelain when it isn't Porcelain. The ones I agree with a few still do have Lavenders. So the Isabel in Europe is patterned (Partridge Based! - our Partridge x Lavenders (2x) would be Isabella????), the Porcelain is supposed to carry the mottling gene and columbian gene, I see why they needed a new name for the color we are creating with our Silkies.

If you can PM me where I might find in-depth discussions such as the above I would appreciate it. I love subtle signs on feathers that explain what might be hidden below - and what might come out of breedings using those birds.-- Nevermind - I see a link with the Isabela color.

Quote: Thank you very, very much, my bookmarks are now changed in case I find another geneticoholic like myself that just needs their first "drink"

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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I love picking Sonoran Silkies' brains - and I tell my self "YAY" every time her post agrees with what I said! It means I got it RIGHT! I gave myself TWO yays today!
*blush* thank you

All over soft coloring.. pretty. Ok - is there a thread for Isabel Silkies? Or is that on the Self Blue thread too? Page 11 so far, noticing people breeding Self Blues to B/B/S pens, would not be my choice - one recessive and one incomplete dominant to keep track of... Also noticing people who were breeding them at the start no longer list Lavender or Self Blue in their signature lines.. makes me go hmmmm......
It is pretty difficult to find folks who are still breeding lavenders.

Right off the bat that one person was saying Lavender was diluting her splits - that made no sense.. The "regular light bulb in the 3 way lamp" was an excellent analogy to explain how recessive genes work.. but I wonder if there aren't subtle things that a recessive gene can do - so subtle you wouldn't notice them unless you were looking specifically for them. More Hmmmms... perhaps combined with other genes it could create a leakage that wouldn't be there without the recessive gene... more Hmmmmm.
I never saw tjhe three-way light bulb analogy... There was discussion on The Coop about subtle things that recessives might do...with lavender there was no consensus that one copy does anything. Mottling can appear on juvenile feathers, and to a slight extent even on adult feathers when a bird has only one copy. I've sen this in my own birds; they tend to lose the mottling more and more with each molt.

My mom is a visual person too - I have to remember when I talk to her not to talk in abstracts - if she can't visualize it she can't grasp it. Please ignore between the Hmmmmms above

- thinking aloud and hoping Sonoran has answers...
Thank you again! Yes, I love picking your brain. I am on page 101 on the Self Blue/Lavender thread and so far I agree every time I see your posts (especially about the "breeders" who are selling eggs before they even get their birds

). I do not agree with quite a few others, but I notice they do not breed Lavenders any more, they have "moved on to more Popular Colors" - and still calling it Porcelain when it isn't Porcelain. The ones I agree with a few still do have Lavenders. So the Isabel in Europe is patterned (Partridge Based! - our Partridge x Lavenders (2x) would be Isabella????), the Porcelain is supposed to carry the mottling gene and columbian gene, I see why they needed a new name for the color we are creating with our Silkies.

If you can PM me where I might find in-depth discussions such as the above I would appreciate it. I love subtle signs on feathers that explain what might be hidden below - and what might come out of breedings using those birds.-- Nevermind - I see a link with the Isabela color.

Quote: Thank you very, very much, my bookmarks are now changed in case I find another geneticoholic like myself that just needs their first "drink"

Try hanging out at The-Coop (http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=3&page=1). That is where the real poultry geneticists hang out. I mostly lurk, occasionally posting.

 

[ChickNmamma]

Quote: Yes.. Planning on Lurking.. thank you...

 

[Quechicks]

The one at the top (1st pic) looks Gold or Golden, the one in the middle looks Silver.  Since you said he was the yellow chick, that means the top chick, and he could be Gold or Golden based, which means ...

GENETICS - SKIP OVER FUR N FEATHERS:

Chick down shows the Gold/Silver bases better than adult feathers.  It also can show the color base better which you will not see once they get their adult feathers.  The modifiers come into play when the chick down disappears, and it changes again and again through the juvenile molts until the adult feathers.  Some people talk about black chicks being black and yellow or black and white when they are babies.  The black and white ones are silver based, the black and yellow ones are gold based.  When they get older they become all black birds with no base showing, except the gold based ones have really good green sheen to their black feathers.  If you are doing blacks, you want gold bases for the green sheen.  If you are doing whites, you want silver bases for the whitest whites and NO gold leakage (because they are silver the silver leakage doesn't always show).  As they get older the modifiers can loose their potency too - so you will find some male birds starting to show leakage as they age if the color was covered by a modifier.

If he is Gold he carries two Gold genes.   If he is Golden he carries both Gold and Silver genes.   His sister was Silver (she only received, carries and gives one gene to her kids, its sex linked), so I suspect he may be Golden.  He looks Blue right now -but he shows the male patch red which is a modifier of Gold, which is why I suspected he carried Gold. He may get more yellow/gold feathers on his neck and saddle as he gets older.  He may also get more Partridge markings which would make him a Blue Partridge.  If he does not get any more Partridge markings then he would be Blue with red leakage.  He might work in a Partridge pen to produce  Blue Partridge chicks, he is half way there.  I would not put him in a Black/Blue/Splash pen because the red/gold leakage is not wanted in that breeding.  Pretty much the only color where that red is wanted is Partridge - or true Red Silkies, but I have never seen a true Red Silkie, only dark buffs with red leakage (I have one boy like that). 

I hope you are enjoying playing with the color calculator!

You maybe just answer 1 mystery that we had with 1 chicks...this one..

He (I think he is a he..got the check) is turning black...he kept a white feather on a wing...but tend to loose it.

As for tge calculatore....ARE YOU KIDDING ME...I 'm trying to understand everything...I feel ashame...I have a Master degree and having a hard time understanding the concept. God...I know now why I didn't do medecine....Also trying to find infos in French just to start the basic.....

Isa

 

[ChickNmamma]

You maybe just answer 1 mystery that we had with 1 chicks...this one..



He (I think he is a he..got the check) is turning black...he kept a white feather on a wing...but tend to loose it.

As for tge calculatore....ARE YOU KIDDING ME...I 'm trying to understand everything...I feel ashame...I have a Master degree and having a hard time understanding the concept. God...I know now why I didn't do medecine....Also trying to find infos in French just to start the basic.....

Isa

I am sorry, please do not feel ashamed. Just take the calculator - start changing the drop down charts and see what the bird above turns into. It's what I did at first. You are trying to jump both feet first into both a different language and complex genetics. Take your time.

Maybe you can check the main site and see if he has one in French. I think he translated it from Dutch and there are a few other languages there.. http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#pluginTree

GENETICS WARNING AHEAD:

And yes, most Black birds start out black and white or black and yellow and turn all black. I haven't seen many Silkies that do - most Silkies are not based on E (Extended Black) they are based on E^R or e^b, which is why you get either completely black chicks or chipmunk chicks. That bird appears to be based on E. He also appears to be Silver based. My Black Sumatras look like that as chicks (minus the super fluff) and so did my Black Ameraucanas.

 

[ozu]

Didn't think I was ever gunna get the chance to post in this thread! But I got a partridge pullet a couple days ago

This was the picture the breeder took :>


Her name is Sunflower, she's 10 weeks old, and she is absolutely precious. I can't get over her. She's so sweet and gentle.​

 

[Quechicks]

I am sorry, please do not feel ashamed.  Just take the calculator - start changing the drop down charts and see what the bird above turns into.  It's what I did at first. You are trying to jump both feet first into both a different language and complex genetics.  Take your time.

Maybe you can check the main site and see if he has one in French.  I think he translated it from Dutch and there are a few other languages there.. http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#pluginTree

GENETICS WARNING AHEAD:

And yes, most Black birds start out black and white or black and yellow and turn all black.  I haven't seen many Silkies that do - most Silkies are not based on E (Extended Black) they are based on E^R or e^b, which is why you get either completely black chicks or chipmunk chicks.  That bird appears to be based on E.  He also appears to be Silver based.  My Black Sumatras look like that as chicks (minus the super fluff) and so did my Black Ameraucanas.

Don't worry...I'm laughing at my self to see how sometimes I can understand some complex things so easily and other times looks like my brain jyst freeze hahaha...

Regarding the black chicks if you look at my second picture above where you see the 7 chicks I got from the same pen 2 partridge...got 1 white (but from a pure white pen same breeder) i got the black that you saw a pix above...then I got a blue you can see he looks gray on the picture and 2 blacks...but all black (well dark dark gray). That's why we were asking ourselves what colour he was...and I would say even the breeder didn't know...but somebody on the fb silkie page brought the idea that he could be black and she was right....

 

[ChickNmamma]

Didn't think I was ever gunna get the chance to post in this thread! But I got a partridge pullet a couple days ago

​

This was the picture the breeder took :>


Her name is Sunflower, she's 10 weeks old, and she is absolutely precious. I can't get over her. She's so sweet and gentle.​

She is beautiful, and I like your picture of her much better than the Breeder's picture! I think perhaps she has grown up more since that earlier picture.

 

[Chickarooroo]

Meet "Milo", he/she is about 4-5 months old. Starting to look like a boy, but are not yet sure. We love her/him either way. Hope you do too