Partridge Silkies - Nothing else

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: Silver quail is silver, columbian and melanotic genes; the neck paterning is part of the variety. From feathersite:

I am going to have to remember this color, its very striking. Is this color close to what makes the Light Brahma pattern? I wonder if the Silkies they are calling "Columbian" are actually based on this combination - because I see the boys have the pattern, but I haven' seen any girls with the same clean collar/tail/wing markings. If I change the feathers on the girl to silkied I see that they match Fur N Feather's girl very closely.
the columbian variety lacks melanotic; yes, it's possible that some of the columbians have melanotic, making the girls backs darker, but I don;t often see the light breast on them.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Well, you guys all know I love the unique coloring.

I wonder that also Dian. Someone quite a while ago on the Different Colors thread asked if maybe a couple of my girls were Coronation rather than Coloumbian, but I am thinking this Silver Quail seems to fit.

coronation is lavender diluted columbian: a white bird with lavender markings.

 

[ChickNmamma]

Quote: the columbian variety lacks melanotic; yes, it's possible that some of the columbians have melanotic, making the girls backs darker, but I don;t often see the light breast on them.
Thank you for the information Sonoran!
I just went and played around with that color combination on the color calculator and found out it can work with 3 different bases (duckwing, wheaten or asiatic partridge). The Columbian turns the chest to the ground color (silver or gold) - the melanotic makes the back dark. I added Charocal because I am seeing the Moorcaps on hers and came up with a much darker neck (lakenvelder pattern) as well as the head so perhaps it doesn't work quite like I thought.. It makes the boy's backs black with Cha too - but not the girls. Now my brain is tired...
Featherspring's girl and the chick above have very white chests - is that a strong indicator of having the Columbian gene? If the breast is dark then they don't have Columbian, correct? I tried every combination of melanizers I could - but with Columbian the breast stayed ground color and did not get dark. But there has to be more than what shows on that calculator- because with breeding you can remove black spots from the backs of Columbian patterned birds (mossiness) - and its not just a one or two generation removal but several (so not just Ml but helpers of Ml as well).
Perhaps when you first breed out a gene its not a complete removal in the next generation - there are "memory" tags that still act like that gene is present - and only several generations after the removal of the gene will its effects be completely removed.
Ok, now my head hurts.......

 

[Fur N Feathers]

Hey you guys remember my little Greenhead pink wings has a white chest, belly and petticoat also. She has color across her back, though not dark (kind of a peachy pink) other than her collar. Do you think she is quail pattern?



More questions, do these girls look like they were possibly diluted with lavender since their body color is so light? Does one lavender gene always dilute a base color or stay hidden - if it doesn't, how do you use lavender to dilute the colors? Will I be able to breed a lavender rooster with a partridge hen and have lavender partridge babies making them split to lavender, or will I have to breed those babies back to the rooster and their babies will be lavender partridge? And if I do that I would end up with 25% lavender babies also since they are lavender splits?

 

[Fancychooklady]

Here's " Jaffa " and his family.

The chicks are getting dad's red colour.

 

[ChickNmamma]

Hey you guys remember my little Greenhead pink wings has a white chest, belly and petticoat also. She has color across her back, though not dark (kind of a peachy pink) other than her collar. Do you think she is quail pattern?



More questions, do these girls look like they were possibly diluted with lavender since their body color is so light? Does one lavender gene always dilute a base color or stay hidden - if it doesn't, how do you use lavender to dilute the colors? Will I be able to breed a lavender rooster with a partridge hen and have lavender partridge babies making them split to lavender, or will I have to breed those babies back to the rooster and their babies will be lavender partridge? And if I do that I would end up with 25% lavender babies also since they are lavender splits?

She sure is cute - and she might carry lavender for dilution as well as columbian for the white chest/undersides. The collar looks a bit dark to be diluted with lavender though. Is she from a Porcelain breeding? Does she have the cream on her chest? Do you have Lavender in your flock and did you mix it in her line?

One lavender gene always stays hidden, it needs two to show. My Lavender Spilts (AM) are solid Black.

Breed the Lavender to the Partridge and you will get ALL splits. Breed those splits (no way to tell from regular Partridge - MARK THEM) back to the Lavender rooster and you will get 50% Splits and 50% Lavender Partridge. Breed the two kids together and that's when you will get 25% Lavender Partridge, 50% Splits and 25% regular Partridge, with no way to tell the Regular Partridge from the Splits without test breedings.. I don't like breeding Splits together, because you can loose the lavender gene and not know it without test breedings. Here's a neat chart I made up for Lavender genetics.

Oh - one note - do NOT use any bird that carries BLUE in them, unless you want to complicate your genetics of your birds. Doing that can give you Lavender Splashes - and regular Splashes - and they can look like Lavender at birth but the Splashes will not carry Lavender at all - OR they might be Splits..

Just best not to mess with it unless you have to.

 

[kabhyper1]

I'm sure a lot of my buddies from the silkie thread are on here so they have probably seen these already, but this is Henley, I am seeing what you all think as far a sex goes, its probably early, but I like guessing.
She is 5 weeks and has a lot of blue in her. Some pics are edited a bit to highlight pattern since my camera is isn't great.

 

[BuckNBark Farm]

Ok- I have a couple of silly questions... I had the Standard Of Perfection book, but then sold it. I didn't pay much attention to Partridge because I didn't know that I'd have them. Ok, so I looked up Partridge color standard on computer. I just tells the "normal" partridge color (don't know if I"m wording that right). Does that mean that blue partridge is AOV? Not a standard color in SIlkies? Also, does the solid dark head count as points off, or disqualification in shows?

Thanks!

Pam Pittman

 

[Fur N Feathers]

Yes, blue partridge is AOV. However, I have a couple of friends that showed blue partridge just as partridge. They did not get DQ'd and actually placed in the partridge category if memory serves. No, the dark head does not DQ or count off.

 

[Fur N Feathers]

She sure is cute - and she might carry lavender for dilution as well as columbian for the white chest/undersides. The collar looks a bit dark to be diluted with lavender though. Is she from a Porcelain breeding? Does she have the cream on her chest? Do you have Lavender in your flock and did you mix it in her line?

No, she is not from a porcelain breeding. She has a bit of oval patterns on her chest - it is more white than anything though.

I have a lavender rooster, but she is not related to him and I have a porcelain hen, but she is not related to her either. That is the only lavender/porcelain I have in my flock. Neither were of breeding age when she was hatched.