Partridge Silkies - Nothing else

[Fur N Feathers]

Isabelle, here is the link for the porcelain (self blue cream) thread:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/548377/porcelain-silkie-thread

Did you know that sometimes this color is referred to as Isabel? I think Isabel is actually a more diluted color like a pastel version, but still I wanted to mention it.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Half Ameraucana half partridge silkie rooster (crest tuft, furry legs)

Full sister to the rooster above (crest tuft, furry legs)


Half Serama half silkie - I call her Road Runner (she has silkie feathering crest tuft)

Half Serama half silkie (crest tuft)


Half Serama half silkie (furry legs and crest tuft)

This guy is gorgeous and my pictures don't do him justice. His feathering is just incredible and he is the Ameraucana partridge silkie cross again. I would love to have a silkie with this coloring though I don't know what it would be called.

Dang, those are soooo cute! Love the first picture with the three generations and the Lavender little. I guess if you were wanting to create your own Self Blue Silkies you have a good candidate there. Cross her/him to a black Silkie, cross the splits back to her/him until you get the silkied feathers again with the lavender gene. Hopefully the pea comb and the walnut comb make the walnut comb again and you get the 5 toes, blue ears, etc back..

Road Runner looks like a quail! Too cute!

I think the last guy would be called golden duckwing - not an accepted color - but would be really pretty!

Do the Silkie cross hens lay a blue egg?
It appears to be a crow wing pattern rather than duckwing.
Ah, I see - no lighter feathers in the wing tips! At least I got the "golden" part right.. so Golden Birchen? Would be E^R based?
yep

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: Partridge males are SUPPOSED to have black or mostly black breasts. With silkies, all too many have little to no black on their breasts. Females show penciling; males do not. "Autosomal" means that it is not sex-linked. All genes that are not sex-linked are autosomal.
Thank you for the explanation of Autosomal. Next time I see it used and somebody says its sex linked I will know that is incorrect. So there is a red that IS sex linked? Would this be the red the boys get on their wings that the girls never get? Part of the Male Pattern Coloring?

Gold is sex-linked, and can be enhanced to red.

I am curious though - both of my Partridge roosters show something on their feathers - bands of gold on the black on one, and bands of brown on the black on the other. If they do not show penciling, what is this called? Its on their backs and wings, so perhaps you mean that the males do not show penciling on their breasts - not that they do not show it anywhere?

It's not really like the penciling that the girls get all over their bodies is what I meant. There is some that shows on primaries, hackles, saddles, etc.

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Sorry about Winni. Its always hard to loose one.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: The term "self" means "solid." With a self blue, there is no variation in shade or tint. The bird is one single colour over its entire body. A buff orpington is self buff. A black langshan is self black A while leghorn is self white. Now, except for "self blue," the self is understood, and not a part of the variety name. With blues it is to distinguish from Andalusian blue, which has both primary and secondary patterns: darker head, hackles, saddle, laced feathers.

Porcelain is not a partridge pattern. Neither the true porcelain pattern nor the self blue cream. You don't want to breed in a partridge for either.

 

[Quechicks]

[COLOR=800080]I have actually crossed my bantam lavender Ameraucanas with my silkies. I'l hunt some pictures for you. I have crossed my Seramas with silkies also. Both crosses have made some doll baby chickens (but of course I am very partial - as I always am with my own chickens).[/COLOR] [COLOR=800080]This is a three generation shot (not flattering of the chickens though so over look that please). Father, daughter out of a partridge silkie, then bred back and she had a lavender baby. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=800080]Half Ameraucana half partridge silkie rooster [/COLOR](crest tuft, furry legs) [COLOR=800080]Full sister to the rooster above (crest tuft, furry legs)[/COLOR] [COLOR=800080]Half Serama half silkie - I call her Road Runner (she has silkie feathering crest tuft)[/COLOR] [COLOR=800080]Half Serama half silkie (crest tuft)[/COLOR] [COLOR=800080]Half Serama half silkie (furry legs and crest tuft)[/COLOR] [COLOR=800080]This guy is gorgeous and my pictures don't do him justice. His feathering is just incredible and he is the Ameraucana partridge silkie cross again. I would love to have a silkie with this coloring though I don't know what it would be called.[/COLOR]

Fur and feathers...I was woundering why those breed crosses? You are looking for new colouring? Isabelle

 

[ChickNmamma]

Oups pictures now
You also see the tail...

Ah HAH - I see it now! Yes, that is the red that goes on the wings of the boys.. at least so far all of the ones I have seen with that red do end up being boys. As Sonoran Silkies just said, the Gold enhances the Red on the boys. Now, that brings up another question - this boy is obviously Silver based - so where does this red come from?

Actually - let me change that - maybe he is not Silver based, maybe he is Gold... what color was he as a chick? Yellow or White?

He looks to me like a Blue with Red leakage, I guess he has some more growing to do before we figure out what to call his colors

Here is a place to start - more and better information than I can give you - I refer back to this thread all the time:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/317906/self-blue-lavender-silkie-thread

Great thread, not too long to read all the way through.. ONLY 359 pages!

Well I guess I will start on that tonight....

I think Lavender is a dilution color that dilutes both red and black, so now I am going to have to find how the Isabel is more diluted than the Self Blue Creme

Perhaps the addition of a further red diluter like Dilute or Champagne/Blonde? Hmmmm.....

 

[ChickNmamma]

The term "self" means "solid." With a self blue, there is no variation in shade or tint. The bird is one single colour over its entire body. A buff orpington is self buff. A black langshan is self black A while leghorn is self white. Now, except for "self blue," the self is understood, and not a part of the variety name. With blues it is to distinguish from Andalusian blue, which has both primary and secondary patterns: darker head, hackles, saddle, laced feathers.

Porcelain is not a partridge pattern. Neither the true porcelain pattern nor the self blue cream. You don't want to breed in a partridge for either.

Ok, inquiring minds want to know...

What is the correct genetic code for the Self Blue Creme Silkies? I do just know enough to know the true Porcelain pattern is not what is being bred in the Silkies. I guess I haven't seen a really good distinct Self Blue Creme Silkie to be able to say "ah hah, that's it". To me they looked like lavender diluted Partridges, without the pattern gene. I would like to know how they are intended to be genetically. Oh, that's right - its Silkies.. well - perhaps I should say what we WANT them to be genetically - even if they aren't close but only might look like it on the outside...

I think that's where the confusion of the Blue vs. Self Blue come from - to be accurate and match all the other colors the Andalusian Blue would have to be called "Andalusian Blue" and the Self Blue would be just Blue. I think the problems is that for so long Blue has meant the Andalusian Blue and not the Self Blue... Which is why new people think if they cross two Blue birds they will get Self Blue

just like if you cross two White birds you get White, only it doesn't work like that. Its another of those "Its always that way, except when it's not"

 

[Fur N Feathers]

Great thread, not too long to read all the way through.. ONLY 359 pages!

Well I guess I will start on that tonight....

I think Lavender is a dilution color that dilutes both red and black, so now I am going to have to find how the Isabel is more diluted than the Self Blue Creme

Perhaps the addition of a further red diluter like Dilute or Champagne/Blonde? Hmmmm.....

Easier than the silkie thread that you just finished a few weeks ago! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Yes, dilute!!!

Now, don't go there with me! I am a visual girl! Sonoran is the brains with the equations. I think she has bred or is breeding Isabel silkies, by the way. I think it is more an all over color rather than the two tone color that the porcelain has.

 

[Fur N Feathers]

Fur and feathers...I was woundering why those breed crosses? You are looking for new colouring?

Isabelle

Well, I wanted the lavender gene and could not afford to buy a $300 silkie chicken which was the price at the time. I thought I could eventually get there.

The Serama was more of a curiosity factor. I would like to get a "micro" silkie.

 

[Quechicks]

Ah HAH - I see it now! Yes, that is the red that goes on the wings of the boys.. at least so far all of the ones I have seen with that red do end up being boys. As Sonoran Silkies just said, the Gold enhances the Red on the boys. Now, that brings up another question - this boy is obviously Silver based - so where does this red come from? Actually - let me change that - maybe he is not Silver based, maybe he is Gold... what color was he as a chick? Yellow or White? He looks to me like a Blue with Red leakage, I guess he has some more growing to do before we figure out what to call his colors Great thread, not too long to read all the way through.. ONLY 359 pages! Well I guess I will start on that tonight.... I think Lavender is a dilution color that dilutes both red and black, so now I am going to have to find how the Isabel is more diluted than the Self Blue Creme Perhaps the addition of a further red diluter like Dilute or Champagne/Blonde? Hmmmm.....

Well you see since I enter byc...it is the story of my life....never ending post As for where my partridge comes from he comes from a colour pen....1 blue roo on blue, black and silver hens..does this gives you a hint?