Partridge Silkies - Nothing else

[Brody's Broodello]

The standard does not differentiate between lighter or darker colouring of partridge. From the 2011 Bantam Standard, page 243:

"More attention should be given to the brightness and sharpness of the reddish bay ground color and the almost jet black penciling than whether the bird appears lighter or darker than an individual preference. The ideal is one uniform color over the entire body of the bird."

When Quoting the standard, it is better to put the entire statement not the part that you want. If you read the entire statement it is more clearer that it is in reference to a "normal" feather, not silkied. That being said, we as breeders know that when a feather is silkied, it does not follow the written ABA/APA standard exactly as written because of the change from a "normal" feather. Here is the entire statement from the ABA standard:
Color Of Female
Plumageenciling in the partridge female should be of uniform width and conform to the shape of the feather. Each feather of the back,breast,body,wing bows and thighs should have three pencilings; the center black,then alternately reddish bay and black,ending with reddish bay edging around entire surface. More attention should be given to the brightness and ahrpness of the reddish bay ground color and the almost jet black penciling than whether the bird appears lighter or darker than an individual preference. The ideal is one uniform color over the entire body of the bird.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I was quoting the part relevant to the discussion; yes, the additional parts you quoted are a part of the standard, but they are not relevant to brassiness or lack thereof (i.e., darker red). I agree that patterns do not show the same on silkied feathers as on non-silkied feathers. You will never be able to determine that penciling is as refined on a silkie as you can on a cochin, wyandotte or other breed with non-silkied feathers. But the COLOURS (reddish bay & black) and CONTRAST between them are apparent.

The breed portion of the standard does NOT list differences in plumage colour for partridge silkies. From page 179 of the 2011 Bantam Standard: " PLUMAGE: Refer to Partridge color descriptions." Page C-45 is a full-colour illustration of a partridge rock female.

From the same standard, page 267, " REDDISH: The color red when combined, mixed, imposed or included with or upon other color(s)."

and page 263, "BAY: A reddish brown color approaching the color of a ripened horse chestnut."

Here is an image of a horse chestnut that I found online:

When Quoting the standard, it is better to put the entire statement not the part that you want. If you read the entire statement it is more clearer that it is in reference to a "normal" feather, not silkied. That being said, we as breeders know that when a feather is silkied, it does not follow the written ABA/APA standard exactly as written because of the change from a "normal" feather. Here is the entire statement from the ABA standard:
Color Of Female
Plumageenciling in the partridge female should be of uniform width and conform to the shape of the feather. Each feather of the back,breast,body,wing bows and thighs should have three pencilings; the center black,then alternately reddish bay and black,ending with reddish bay edging around entire surface. More attention should be given to the brightness and ahrpness of the reddish bay ground color and the almost jet black penciling than whether the bird appears lighter or darker than an individual preference. The ideal is one uniform color over the entire body of the bird.

 

[Brody's Broodello]

I was quoting the part relevant to the discussion; yes, the additional parts you quoted are a part of the standard, but they are not relevant to brassiness or lack thereof (i.e., darker red). I agree that patterns do not show the same on silkied feathers as on non-silkied feathers. You will never be able to determine that penciling is as refined on a silkie as you can on a cochin, wyandotte or other breed with non-silkied feathers. But the COLOURS (reddish bay & black) and CONTRAST between them are apparent.

The breed portion of the standard does NOT list differences in plumage colour for partridge silkies. From page 179 of the 2011 Bantam Standard: " PLUMAGE: Refer to Partridge color descriptions." Page C-45 is a full-colour illustration of a partridge rock female.

From the same standard, page 267, " REDDISH: The color red when combined, mixed, imposed or included with or upon other color(s)."

and page 263, "BAY: A reddish brown color approaching the color of a ripened horse chestnut."

Here is an image of a horse chestnut that I found online:

You do not need to tell me what pages things are in the standard, I own Both the current ABA/APA standards. I read more that just the parts pertaining to silkies, since I breed several breeds of Exhibition poultry. I am well aware of the standard for the Partridge color, and must have some idea as to what is ideal, since I can say that I own & have bred multiple winning birds in that color. Even partridge silkies that have gone on to win BB's.

What I was referring to in my post was that in order to properly quote the standard the entire piece should be stated, maybe with the part pertaining to what you are saying highlighted. For beginners, and those who do not own a standard, they may get an better understanding reading the entire quote. ie someone coming from the wyandotte world who is new to silkies.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Listing the page number and the edition of the standard is not just for you. It is correct citation protocol that allows anyone reading the post to know the exact source, and look it up if they desire. Likewise, I do not find the other portions of the standard for partridge or for silkies to be relevant here. Would they be relevant to someone who asks what the standard for partridge is? Of course, but this was a more specific discussion. If it had been pages and pages SINCE the discussion on a bird being too "brassy" and yet placing RV, quoting the post would have been a no-brainer. Since it was not, but was part of an ongoing discussion, endless quoting of the previous posts seemed unnecessary.

You do not need to tell me what pages things are in the standard, I own Both the current ABA/APA standards. I read more that just the parts pertaining to silkies, since I breed several breeds of Exhibition poultry. I am well aware of the standard for the Partridge color, and must have some idea as to what is ideal, since I can say that I own & have bred multiple winning birds in that color. Even partridge silkies that have gone on to win BB's.

What I was referring to in my post was that in order to properly quote the standard the entire piece should be stated, maybe with the part pertaining to what you are saying highlighted. For beginners, and those who do not own a standard, they may get an better understanding reading the entire quote. ie someone coming from the wyandotte world who is new to silkies.

 

[chickendales]

alright stop beating dead horse

 

[peepblessed]

What would be the pros and cons of breeding partridge to a penciled grey.

 

[pennie1]

I believe that Brody's Broodella had a very valid point; if you are going to quote something, quote it in it's entirety.

 

[chickendales]

there are no pros the cons ur adding red to silver that your tring get read of in a gray

What would be the pros and cons of breeding partridge to a penciled grey.

 

[peepblessed]

there are no pros the cons ur adding red to silver that your tring get read of in a gray

Thanks!!

 

[chickendales]

here my gray\ partrdge cross i hatched

there are no pros the cons ur adding red to silver that your tring get read of in a gray

Thanks!!