Patchy Skin on Pea

[AugeredIn]

Be VERY careful about the application of sevin dust and DE around peafowl. They are very sensitive to both of these items relative to sinus infections. Do not use the pantyhose method. To much in the air.

We use Sevin in the pens and it works well but we keep the dust down. We have quit using it directly on the peafowl as we see an increase in sinus issues when we do. We use pour on Ivermectin and find it to be much more effective.

We no longer use DE around the peas. We just started seeing to much of a correlation between sinus issues and the DE.

We have started digging a 3' diameter hole about 9-12 inches deep and backfilling it with mostly builders sand but one of the 24 oz bottles of Sevin mixed in with the sand. They fight over the spot during june-august.

 

[new 2 pfowl]

I don't have experience with dusting, but on a common sense level I'd agree with AugeredIn that too much of these compounds in the air could lead to sinus problems (or other respiratory problems). I thought of this especially in relation to the leaf blower suggestion.

 

[casportpony]

There is an article somewhere about the hazards of DE in poultry, I'll see if I can find it.

-Kathy

 

[AugeredIn]

Never had a problem with chickens, but the peafowl are really sensitive.

 

[Yoda]

I use poultry dust, Safeguard and various antibiotics at the same time and have had no issues. The key is knowing what drugs have what drug interactions. But when in doubt, consult your vet. As for DE, I tried it, didn't work for me and I think it can cause lung issues, but don't quote me on that, lol, do your homework.

-Kathy

Kathy first off ivermectin, safeguard and sevin powder are poisons. How much poison do you think it will take to kill a peafowl? I do not understand someone who tells me NOT to give a bird this dose cause it can over dose the bird is now telling me that you can mix all these poisons and see no harm. NEVER mix your poisons, read the threads about worming they say do not give Ivermectin and safeguard at the same time, always one at a time. Remember if you are going to give advice like this you are responsible for the out come. Google sevin it is: Sevin--an insecticide manufactured by Bayer CropScience in Research Triangle Park--is widely believed to be safe. But Sevin's active ingredient, carbaryl, is in fact a potent neurotoxin and suspected carcinogen, and federal regulators are currently considering restricting its use. The symptoms of carbaryl poisoning include excessive salivation, vomiting and muscle weakness. So I would suggest that you do not mix your meds cause your statement does not make sense to me. There is no way of knowing what the effects will be on an animal when mixed and the only way to tell is when the animal gets sick.
I clean out the dirty shavings inside my shed and then sweep up what I missed. I then spread DE around the walls of my shed and cover with fresh clean shavings. I said nothing about putting it onto the bird. I do it this way and have not seen any mites, lice or anything else running in my shed. My birds do not bathe in the stuff, they just poop on it.LOL

 

[casportpony]

Yoda, there is a poultry wormer that has Safeguard *and* ivermectin in it. Did you know that? There is also another wormer that has Valbazen *and* something similar to ivermectin. Drugs can me mixed, but you do have to know which ones are okay to mix, I"m sure your vet can explain that to you better than I can.

About dosing, all I keep saying that one needs to know the weight of their bird and that all oral and injectable medications should be given based on the recommended amount for a bird that size. Again, maybe your vet can explain that better than I can.

-Kathy

 

[Yoda]

Here are 2 links that do not agree with you and again state that it is against Veterinary medicine to do so. One is even from the UK

http://poultrykeeper.com/poultry-medication/ivermectin-for-worms-lice-mites

http://www.chicken-house.co.uk/acatalog/Harkamectin__ivermectin_Drops.html

So if this is true the how is there a poultry wormer containing both? I will say it to you again do not mix your drugs unless it is told to you by a Veterinarian

 

[casportpony]

Here are 2 links that do not agree with you and again state that it is against Veterinary medicine to do so. One is even from the UK
All I did was post a study that says ivermectin is not an effective wormer in poultry and that it only kills *biting* lice and mites. I *never* said it's against veterinary medicine to use it. Who cares if one is from the UK?

http://poultrykeeper.com/poultry-medication/ivermectin-for-worms-lice-mites
http://www.chicken-house.co.uk/acatalog/Harkamectin__ivermectin_Drops.html
Those are just websites that are selling a product, what's your point? Show me one properly documented study that shows it's efficacy on feather lice. Heck, I bet your bottle says that it treats mites and "biting lice", right. As far as I know feather lice don't bite.

So if this is true the how is there a poultry wormer containing both?
Because one wormer (fenbendazole or albendazole) are for worms and the ivermectin is for mites.

I will say it to you again do not mix your drugs unless it is told to you by a Veterinarian
Don't I usually say "consult you veterinarian"? Guess I need to put that in my sig, lol. Many medicines *are* safe to give together, and yes, better safe than sorry, but I *do* know that if one is treating for blackhead they can give Safeguard, metronidazole and Baytril at the same time.

-Kathy

 

[Yoda]

Yoda, there is a poultry wormer that has Safeguard *and* ivermectin in it. Did you know that? There is also another wormer that has Valbazen *and* something similar to ivermectin. Drugs can me mixed, but you do have to know which ones are okay to mix, I"m sure your vet can explain that to you better than I can.

-Kathy

The below reply was for this post you did above



Originally Posted by Yoda

Here are 2 links that do not agree with you and again state that it is against Veterinary medicine to do so. One is even from the UK
All I did was post a study that says ivermectin is not an effective wormer in poultry and that it only kills *biting* lice and mites. I *never* said it's against veterinary medicine to use it. Ivermectin is not labeled for poultry so how can it be in a mixture with fenbendazole to use on poultry? Who cares if one is from the UK? The point for the links is to show you that Ivermectin is not for poultry and a Vet. will not tell you to use it for them. So that brings us back to your post above which states by you that Iverectin and fenbendazole are mixed together to form a poultry wormer. Wormers are poison in other words toxic. When you worm a chicken you are actually poisoning the bird to the extent that any smaller living critter inside it will be poisoned to death. If you give the chicken enough of the wormer it will die too.

http://poultrykeeper.com/poultry-medication/ivermectin-for-worms-lice-mites
http://www.chicken-house.co.uk/acatalog/Harkamectin__ivermectin_Drops.html
Those are just websites that are selling a product, what's your point? The first link is not selling anything, it is giving you info on Ivermectin and stating that a Vet will NOT tell you to use it in poultry. Show me one properly documented study that shows it's efficacy on feather lice. Heck, I bet your bottle says that it treats mites and "biting lice", right. As far as I know feather lice don't bite. All lice bite. Actually feather lice are the biters and regular lice are suckers. So if your bottle states it kills "biting" lice or just lice then it does. Here is a link for bird lice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_louse

So if this is true the how is there a poultry wormer containing both?
Because one wormer (fenbendazole or albendazole) are for worms and the ivermectin is for mites. Never to be mixed in the same bottle

I will say it to you again do not mix your drugs unless it is told to you by a Veterinarian
Don't I usually say "consult you veterinarian"? Guess I need to put that in my sig, lol. Many medicines *are* safe to give together, and yes, better safe than sorry, but I *do* know that if one is treating for blackhead they can give Safeguard, metronidazole and Baytril at the same time. And what happened to the bird that all 3 drugs were given to? If I remember correctly your bird had blackhead and your Vet told you to give it baytril and something else (not sure if it was safeguard) but to use the metro as a last resort, am I correct?

 

[casportpony]

Look up Trifen Plus. The older version had fenbendazole and ivermectin, the newer version has albendazole and abamectin. Not suggesting anyone use it, just saying that it exists and has been used in poultry for internal and external parasite control.

-Kathy