Peafowl 201: Further Genetics- Colors, Patterns, and More

Discussion in 'Peafowl' started by Kedreeva, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. q8peafowl

    q8peafowl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I do remember this nice peacock for sure. First of all, are you100% sure that his parents were both silver pieds? He could still be dark pied if one parent was pied and the other is silver pied, so he will be carrying only single w/e gene in this case, and birds carrying single w/e gene will not necessarily show this in their trains.

    W/e gene seems to be the most complicated gene, especially when talking about creating silver pied birds, and many breeders have different opinions on this, but i believe when mating a silver pied bird with a w/e bird there is a chance to get some silver pieds.

    As for your chicks, the first chick is india blue, but second one looks purple that's why he/she is lighter, but of course it could still be carrying the white eye gene, do you know if your male is split to purple? Are any of the hens are purple?

    Do you have more images for the third chick? Its purple too, and it look white eye, just want to make sure its a pied too, because some white eye chicks will have many white on their wings when they hatched and would look like pied sometimes but they are just w/e.

    Like this guy:
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  2. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    The silver pieds I've hatched here look white when they are born (let me tell you, I was STOKED when I looked in the incubator during my first hatch this year and thought I had a white bird, but after it fluffed up and I pulled it out, I realized it had ONE off-color feather. One. And by the time it was three weeks, it had several patches of tannish coloring where color spots were developing). They have very, very soft/pale tan patches (like, the same or lighter than the flight feathers of a blackshoulder bird) on them that darken up as the bird ages. So they were both probably silver pieds!

    Here are the SP ones I've had hatch:
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    Unless I was lied to by the seller and shown the wrong photographs, I'm sure that Blu's parents were both silver pied. His sibling, Osiris, never had much white on her either, but I didn't get a chance to breed her:
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    As far as I'm aware, Blu is not split to purple. I have purple hens NOW, but I did not have them when these eggs were laid. There was a very young cameo(? she was sold to a friend of mine as purple but next to the purples I got recently she doesn't look like them at all) pied in the pen, but I'm fairly certain she isn't laying yet as she's only just over a year old. I only had 3 hens laying, and my other three are all 3+ years old so one of them would have had to not lay at all for Penny to be the culprit. The cameo (Penny) is on the left here (one of my pied blues on the right):

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    here she is next to the purples I picked up recently (penny at the back, nova at the front left is purple pied, eclipse at front right is purple bs pied):
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    (Although now I'm wondering if maybe she IS purple, and is purple w/e?)


    As for the third chick I have two other photos, but it was definitely pied, I can tell that much [​IMG]:
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    Here's a photo from @Dustystrail of the set of chicks she hatched from me:
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  3. thndrdancr

    thndrdancr Chillin' With My Peeps

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    You sold Goggles, didn't you? Loved his markings. Love all your chicks colorings, so many different variations! Beautiful! Sorry to interrupt your discussion. Carry on.
     
  4. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    I DID sell goggles, but you know, all my pied chicks have come out with those freaking eyebrows?? And the darker-colored pieds have all had black rings around their eyes, it was so funny XD Certainly a grab-bag of patterns (and possibly colors??) coming out of my pen...

    Goggles for you:

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    By the way @q8peafowl that's the other "w/e" kid that I got on the left, in April, when only my two oldest birds, one of my pieds and my w/e, were laying.
    Different pic, same bird:

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  5. q8peafowl

    q8peafowl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I would expect a full white eyes on his train if both parents are silver pieds, lets see what others think, but all the dark pied i have seen out from silver pied birds has full white eyes on their trains.

    Whether you had purple hens at that time or not you can't hatch purple chicks without a purple male or split purple male, but i was asking about the hens colors cause I saw many purple chicks what would make me think there is a purple hen.

    Penny looks cameo pied w/e to me.

    That's chick is definitely a pied, and last chick you posted next to the pied chick also looks purple, it seems that your male split purple, or you couldn't get purple chicks from him.
     
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  6. q8peafowl

    q8peafowl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    This brown chick on the left is also from this male, right? It looks whether cameo or purple.
     
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  7. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    Well, I've only gotten the two (three, if you count the light-colored pied one) with that light coloration.

    Here is the chick I first posted, a few weeks after that baby photo (not the one with the kicked out leg) next to a blue:
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    and between a blue and one of the really pale, white ones... I'm actually wondering if it's a silver pied at all now:
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    And the right side chick, closer, next to the pale chick:
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    If I showed you just the chick on the right hand side without any parental genetics information, what would you say it was?
     
  8. q8peafowl

    q8peafowl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Yeah, this brown chick looks purple or cameo, the other one of course not white, its already showing some colors, i would say pied or silver pied from sex-linked colors, whether cameo or purple.

    Are they all the same age? Some sex linked colors chicks grow slowly.
     
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  9. Kedreeva

    Kedreeva Longfeather Lane

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    Yep, they are all the same hatch, the middle chick is noticeably smaller in person as well.

    Well, I'm so happy my birds have got crazy genetics I didn't know about! I'm going to be keeping these three (and a fourth dark pied) for a while yet, so I'll take some photos in a few months when they have closer to adult colors and I can tell genders. If the purple/cameo/whatever chick(s) turn out to be boys, there's something REAL fishy going on genetically here...

    I'm wondering if Penny (the cameo pied possibly w/e hen) really did lay some eggs. It would be strange but I guess not unheard of. The strangest thing about her is that I know the guy I got her from, and I know his birds. And he doesn't own cameo birds. She came out of his purple pen. I was unable to make the swap to pick her up, so my friend was the one who grabbed her for me.
     
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  10. q8peafowl

    q8peafowl Chillin' With My Peeps

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    She could lay some eggs, heard about many yearling laying eggs, also Penny looks like an adult hen in the picture, i wouldn't be surprised if she laid some eggs. Purple could produce cameo, isn't cameo came from purple at first? If the chicks turned out to be males then Penny is their mother.


    But i would guess a hen on the small chick [​IMG]
     

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