peahens laying in mid november??
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Why cant we all just get along
I have seen lots of very informational post from both resolution and deerman, both are great folks to have here, but not the argumenting over who is right! resolution you loose me alot of the time with all your scientific termanologies...just a thought to kind of lighten up on that for all us who have no idea what some of it is.
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What a refreshing post. Thanks for being objective and open minded.
Very small fish -are not a problem but I wouldn't feed them to peafowl past the one inch stage and provide clean grit as a matter of routine.
I've known so many peafowl to share lay barns with chickens over the winter -and the peahens lay the same time of year every year regardless of lighting. Keeping an egg log for all these years helps me look back when a specific hen has produced eggs in the past. It helps to know when something is off- hence the daily log...
I raise many deep forest species, Roul Roul, Peacock Pheasants, Green and Sri Lanka Junglefowl and the like, birds that may produce clutches of eggs at anytime of the year and I encourage them to do so as this is their reproductive strategy- to reproduce two or more clutches a year. Indoor lighting through the winter months is key but they are wired to reproduce all year long- you just keep an eye out for eggs.
Even these species won't lay outside of their normal cycle. Aviculturists that do not provide winter synthesis - that is maintain the same length of day all year round using specific kinds of lighting- in temperate regions- these species will only reproduce seasonally. Lighting is obviously critical. Nevertheless, species that only produce one clutch of eggs a year, Green Peafowl for example, maintained in those same indoor winter enclosures, don't go to nesting just because the day length of the equatorial tropics is being recreated- they will reproduce earlier in the year than the Indian no matter where they live. It's a part of their hard-wiring.
A few old time professional aviculturists that I've known for decades, and that I speak with every few months or at least once or twice a year, have reported really poor reproduction in their wild species across the board the last few years. They are also that those birds that have laid have often done so during unusual times and consequently eggs have been sterile. We keep a close eye on this sort of thing - those of us working with the rarer species- we are a small community and stewards to an ever-shrinking population of one endangered species or another. It's got us talking that much is sure.
The fact that your peahen has laid in November is remarkable. We all agree hormones are at the foundation of this phenomenon. It sounds like you've got the place lit up brighter than anything I've seen in a lay house or tropical greenhouse barn. The production of eggs is a lengthy affair and a bit more complicated than just lighting so there is probably an additional factor at work here as well. It will be interesting to learn if she will recycle and produce a clutch during months that we generally expect them to be produced.
What a refreshing post. Thanks for being objective and open minded.
Very small fish -are not a problem but I wouldn't feed them to peafowl past the one inch stage and provide clean grit as a matter of routine.
I've known so many peafowl to share lay barns with chickens over the winter -and the peahens lay the same time of year every year regardless of lighting. Keeping an egg log for all these years helps me look back when a specific hen has produced eggs in the past. It helps to know when something is off- hence the daily log...
I raise many deep forest species, Roul Roul, Peacock Pheasants, Green and Sri Lanka Junglefowl and the like, birds that may produce clutches of eggs at anytime of the year and I encourage them to do so as this is their reproductive strategy- to reproduce two or more clutches a year. Indoor lighting through the winter months is key but they are wired to reproduce all year long- you just keep an eye out for eggs.
Even these species won't lay outside of their normal cycle. Aviculturists that do not provide winter synthesis - that is maintain the same length of day all year round using specific kinds of lighting- in temperate regions- these species will only reproduce seasonally. Lighting is obviously critical. Nevertheless, species that only produce one clutch of eggs a year, Green Peafowl for example, maintained in those same indoor winter enclosures, don't go to nesting just because the day length of the equatorial tropics is being recreated- they will reproduce earlier in the year than the Indian no matter where they live. It's a part of their hard-wiring.
A few old time professional aviculturists that I've known for decades, and that I speak with every few months or at least once or twice a year, have reported really poor reproduction in their wild species across the board the last few years. They are also that those birds that have laid have often done so during unusual times and consequently eggs have been sterile. We keep a close eye on this sort of thing - those of us working with the rarer species- we are a small community and stewards to an ever-shrinking population of one endangered species or another. It's got us talking that much is sure.
The fact that your peahen has laid in November is remarkable. We all agree hormones are at the foundation of this phenomenon. It sounds like you've got the place lit up brighter than anything I've seen in a lay house or tropical greenhouse barn. The production of eggs is a lengthy affair and a bit more complicated than just lighting so there is probably an additional factor at work here as well. It will be interesting to learn if she will recycle and produce a clutch during months that we generally expect them to be produced.
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deerman
Rest in Peace 1949-2012
The increase of the daylight during spring is what triggers the breeding season ,for most birds. Now they will need to be in good health to lay. I have got pheasants and quail to breed in -20 degree winter by increased lights.
I do know a few cases,were people with peafowl have messed up the breeding season of peafowl, because of use of white brooder lights,
Light also trigger molt or can even stop molt. Control when birds lay is easy with lights, but with peafowl you need to get the peacock ready to breed. which takes months. Chicken,pheasants,quail the male can be ready in a week.
Trick used with young racing homers, so they are not molting during the fall races, is to keep them in darken lofts. To stop the molt.
I said most birds...now birds like parrots ,parakeets. these don't they breed when food is plentiful.
Condition does trigger breeding in some birds like parakeet, so they breed ,when food supply is at the best., but increased light is the main thing that triggers breeding season in most all birds. peafowl being one of them.
I do know a few cases,were people with peafowl have messed up the breeding season of peafowl, because of use of white brooder lights,
Light also trigger molt or can even stop molt. Control when birds lay is easy with lights, but with peafowl you need to get the peacock ready to breed. which takes months. Chicken,pheasants,quail the male can be ready in a week.
Trick used with young racing homers, so they are not molting during the fall races, is to keep them in darken lofts. To stop the molt.
I said most birds...now birds like parrots ,parakeets. these don't they breed when food is plentiful.
Condition does trigger breeding in some birds like parakeet, so they breed ,when food supply is at the best., but increased light is the main thing that triggers breeding season in most all birds. peafowl being one of them.
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I'm with you jbourget. Who cares who's right? Why do some people feel so threatened that they make everything into an argument?
I may well lose some people with vernacular but judging from the many private emails I receive from homeschooling families and individuals eager to learn more than what's readily available from other sources, I'm encouraged to keep writing and never underestimate the intelligence of readers.
If readers will click on hyperlinks they'll learn more and as I'm not the writer of the articles or documents that are hyperlinked, the veracity of what's I've written can be evaluated objectively and they can reach out and explore more about whatever topic interests them.
I've never been a competitive person and am confused by what I presume is territoriality from deerman and his friends who've decided that my presence here is somehow threatening. This is a public forum.
Thousands of people read these threads. Everyone has the privilege to contribute. Contributing negativity and drama isn't something most people visit this site to read. I haven't written that what anyone else is doing is wrong. My methods are different. I know plenty of people that raise critters and every single person has their own unique way of doing things. That said, most people working with animals expand the parameters of their understanding constantly. It's the nature of animal management. Now someone is probably going to disagree with that statement because they feel a need to be diametrically opposed to everything and I do mean everything I write...
Focusing on a single person- a single writer- to gang up on and harass- seems counter-intuitive. This forum isn't supposed to be about people. It's not about us writers. We can always focus on the topics discussed in the threads and just agree to disagree with a writer that irritates us or that we disagree with. People with such a passionate dislike for whatever it is that they imagine someone else represents, should just not read what they're writing. Doesn't that make sense?
I'm with you jbourget. Who cares who's right? Why do some people feel so threatened that they make everything into an argument?
I may well lose some people with vernacular but judging from the many private emails I receive from homeschooling families and individuals eager to learn more than what's readily available from other sources, I'm encouraged to keep writing and never underestimate the intelligence of readers.
If readers will click on hyperlinks they'll learn more and as I'm not the writer of the articles or documents that are hyperlinked, the veracity of what's I've written can be evaluated objectively and they can reach out and explore more about whatever topic interests them.
I've never been a competitive person and am confused by what I presume is territoriality from deerman and his friends who've decided that my presence here is somehow threatening. This is a public forum.
Thousands of people read these threads. Everyone has the privilege to contribute. Contributing negativity and drama isn't something most people visit this site to read. I haven't written that what anyone else is doing is wrong. My methods are different. I know plenty of people that raise critters and every single person has their own unique way of doing things. That said, most people working with animals expand the parameters of their understanding constantly. It's the nature of animal management. Now someone is probably going to disagree with that statement because they feel a need to be diametrically opposed to everything and I do mean everything I write...
Focusing on a single person- a single writer- to gang up on and harass- seems counter-intuitive. This forum isn't supposed to be about people. It's not about us writers. We can always focus on the topics discussed in the threads and just agree to disagree with a writer that irritates us or that we disagree with. People with such a passionate dislike for whatever it is that they imagine someone else represents, should just not read what they're writing. Doesn't that make sense?
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deerman
Rest in Peace 1949-2012
Resolution, first I'm not threatened by any of you post.
Now to give you why i have problem with some of your post. Not sure what you are trying to prove on here, You have for along time try to push your super feed. How much better the birds look. From alot of your past post a bird is sick it need your super feed, heck the way you talked it could cure about anything.
As far as your birds ....reason i want to see them, because you talk like they look ,and are in better health.,because of your super feed. Yes your link of your birds ,one was at a zoo...pic was even taken there.Years after you had him.
Yes you have also trying to tell everyone how wrong they are feeding premix feed.
You and Frankyledge do gather alot of pics from the internet, and post , I agree some greatest pics out their, Frank himself does some of the best work taking some of these pics.
Main reason as i said early.......stop trying to push your feed.......take out a ad here if that what you want to do.
HAVE A NICE DAY........don't understand why you have trouble posting pics of your birds or the way you house them, by the way I'm not the first or only person who ask to see your set-up.
my point your post, had alot to do with you pushing your super feed. edit to show proof
I've been getting quite a few private emails from folks who are trying to sell eggs to help support their families. Because of the new popularity of backyard poultry flocks, there are more people rearing chickens than in probably fifty years. The problem is, that people end up crossing hairs- competing with one another and prices are one issue. My suggestion is to use our foragecakes so that the egg yolks are deeper orange than everyone else's and your birds are healthier too. Even free ranging hens could use a boost and our extruded kibbles are made of catfish meal, crustacean meal, turmeric, cinnamon,DE and zeolite. They help keep parasite loads to a minimum and provide the hens optimal nutrition as they are laying. Also, try our babycakes for your chicks and laying hens. They make a big difference as well.
Your eggs will be dramatically more flavorful, and of higher quality. Your hens will be healthier and experience less stress during moult.
With eggs of this quality- you can charge more and people will line up for your eggs to the exclusion of your competitors.
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Now to give you why i have problem with some of your post. Not sure what you are trying to prove on here, You have for along time try to push your super feed. How much better the birds look. From alot of your past post a bird is sick it need your super feed, heck the way you talked it could cure about anything.
As far as your birds ....reason i want to see them, because you talk like they look ,and are in better health.,because of your super feed. Yes your link of your birds ,one was at a zoo...pic was even taken there.Years after you had him.
Yes you have also trying to tell everyone how wrong they are feeding premix feed.
You and Frankyledge do gather alot of pics from the internet, and post , I agree some greatest pics out their, Frank himself does some of the best work taking some of these pics.
Main reason as i said early.......stop trying to push your feed.......take out a ad here if that what you want to do.
HAVE A NICE DAY........don't understand why you have trouble posting pics of your birds or the way you house them, by the way I'm not the first or only person who ask to see your set-up.
my point your post, had alot to do with you pushing your super feed. edit to show proof
I've been getting quite a few private emails from folks who are trying to sell eggs to help support their families. Because of the new popularity of backyard poultry flocks, there are more people rearing chickens than in probably fifty years. The problem is, that people end up crossing hairs- competing with one another and prices are one issue. My suggestion is to use our foragecakes so that the egg yolks are deeper orange than everyone else's and your birds are healthier too. Even free ranging hens could use a boost and our extruded kibbles are made of catfish meal, crustacean meal, turmeric, cinnamon,DE and zeolite. They help keep parasite loads to a minimum and provide the hens optimal nutrition as they are laying. Also, try our babycakes for your chicks and laying hens. They make a big difference as well.
Your eggs will be dramatically more flavorful, and of higher quality. Your hens will be healthier and experience less stress during moult.
With eggs of this quality- you can charge more and people will line up for your eggs to the exclusion of your competitors.
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Moosetrack is my favorite Tom Turkey. I've heard him described as a red neck peacock.-
I'm educating concerned animal managers about nutrition. Problems require solutions. The motto in my Grampa's office was- " Don't present me with problems. Present me with solutions." I live by that motto. I provide feasible solutions to obvious problems.
Some people open themselves to learning and get involved toward progress- finding solutions to common problems experienced by all.
Assumptions to the contrary are just that and you're wearing yourself thin. Nothing I write is going to dissuade this silliness and your pestering is not going to spook me away from my life's central goals and values. I don't have the patience to coddle your refusal to learn. You have all the answers. Stop reading my posts. It's that simple.
Everyone has that one tom that just can't be dissuaded from obsessing over the milk bucket. When we go to milk that goat or cow and need that bucket and we're obliged to shut him up in the chicken yard for a few minutes he's back at it. Pacing the wire, thumping and rushing in place, gobbling one minute and peevishly domineering over some feckless cockerel the next. These are just realities of farm life. Doesn't make me love that old tom any less but on occasion his behavior becomes increasingly frenetic. It's clear that he just doesn't comprehend that his rituals are counter-productive to himself and of exactly no contribution to the workings of the farm.
Sometimes he's entertaining but on those mornings and evenings when there's wood to be lugged and milk to be strained and a horse with a bandage that needs changing, you find yourself wondering why this turkey can't just wander off and keep himself busy under the orchard with the wild turkeys. Only very rarely does the wild turkey demand that it be the centre of attention. But Moose Knuckle is out there jealously guarding that dented old bucket we sit on to milk.
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deerman
Rest in Peace 1949-2012
Copy one of your older post , showing proof of you pushing your super feed......edit my post to show this.
I do buy into the theory that much of the premix feeds are for a short term fix.
Check out the areas in NW arkansas where there are many, many chicken, and turkey huge barns paid for by Tyson, George poultry producers. These producers are feeding most of America, and their short term turnover for animal production is tremendous. Anyone have links to show me the studies that these are feeds to produce long term health for small poultry keepers? The idea of raising poultry for the very long term is a fairly young idea.
I free range my birds as much as I can, & give as much variety in their diet, because I believe no one single food is the best thing for birds.
We are all affected by something in our environments that is cancer causing, & we have more to learn in that respect. Monsanto and their Round up resistant seed and agriculture will be the doom of man, and the animals of the world (Just my opinion). Creating a life form that can tolerate poison so we can consume it is very problematic. We still dont know what is causing autism in youngsters & alsthiemers (sic) in our elders.
I appreciate all the links Resolution provides because the words he writes are substaniated by studies, & he links them to the studies written by others. we all have still more to learn, as long as we still have breath.....
We all need to open our minds so that we can find solutions. Right on , Resolution.
Check out the areas in NW arkansas where there are many, many chicken, and turkey huge barns paid for by Tyson, George poultry producers. These producers are feeding most of America, and their short term turnover for animal production is tremendous. Anyone have links to show me the studies that these are feeds to produce long term health for small poultry keepers? The idea of raising poultry for the very long term is a fairly young idea.
I free range my birds as much as I can, & give as much variety in their diet, because I believe no one single food is the best thing for birds.
We are all affected by something in our environments that is cancer causing, & we have more to learn in that respect. Monsanto and their Round up resistant seed and agriculture will be the doom of man, and the animals of the world (Just my opinion). Creating a life form that can tolerate poison so we can consume it is very problematic. We still dont know what is causing autism in youngsters & alsthiemers (sic) in our elders.
I appreciate all the links Resolution provides because the words he writes are substaniated by studies, & he links them to the studies written by others. we all have still more to learn, as long as we still have breath.....
We all need to open our minds so that we can find solutions. Right on , Resolution.
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