PeanelliPea is not feeling well

[Garden Peas]

If I am wrong, please, someone correct me. I believe that there are nine different strains of Coccidiosis, Peas, chickens, turkeys, etc. each get a particular strain all their own. So if the med you are using is effective for Peas you don't need to worry about covering the rest of the different strains.

Crud, the computer ate my original response.

Sadly, there are many strains of coccidia. As nearly as I can tell, peas get at least three strains. Chickens get a lot, so do turkeys. Yes, apparently each gets their own, but there must be some overlap. Otherwise, all you would have to do is hatch out baby peas somewhere peas had never been, and voila, no coccidia. But that apparently does not work.

Plus, who knows what the little birdies that fly in to steal food, leave behind when they poop in the coop?

Every time I try to research coccidia, it gets murkier. But I don't think there is any guarantee as to which med will work without identifying the strain that's causing the problem, and I am not sure even the vet can do that with any level of precision.

 

[DylansMom]

Cocci is everywhere. You cannot truly get rid of it. You can treat for it but they are always going to have it. They are just more susceptible to system overload at that age. She should recover quickly with treatment.

This is exactly what the vet I use told me. It doesn't matter what you do, the cocci is always going to be present in the soil, and your birds will always have some level of infection. As soon as you finish treating them for it they will be exposed again and will pick it up again. I noticed that birds I kept here until they were older than 12 weeks and had been successfully transitioned from wire floors to being on the ground had a higher incidence of mortality after being sold and moving to a new home. The younger chicks that had never been on our soil here actually do better. I believe they get exposed to the strain/s we have here and they build up their tolerance to those. Then when they are moved to a new location they are exposed to a different strain that they have no resistance to (My understanding is that Peas are susceptible to several different strains.) Cocci was not immediately suspected because these were older chicks 5-7 months, so we all thought they were past the high risk months. As a result I now recommend to all buyers that they purchase corid and use the preventative dose for several weeks, and as a PRN after that. @KsKingBee can the wild birds get into Peanellipea's pen or could you have possibly carried anything in on your shoes? Or the bottom of a feed or water bucket you maybe sat down on the ground while opening a door? These microscopic pests are hard to avoid unless we are going to invest in bio-hazard suits to wear while caring for our peas and install chemical decontamination showers between every pen. At least you know what is happening and are prepared to deal with it, she is in good hands!

 

[Garden Peas]

How is Miss PeanelliPea this morning?

 

[KsKingBee]

@DylansMom , you win the kewpie doll. No wild birds can access the coop but I have been thinking that I should start my ritual in the brooder but I don't. I know I should, I do try to scrape my boots as well as I can but with all the mud we are living in right now I must have brought it in that way.

Well it is good to correct what I thought I knew about being able susceptible to multiple strains. Going out to feed Nelli as soon as I get her feed mixed up, I will tell ya'll how she is in a few minutes.

 

[zazouse]

This is exactly what the vet I use told me. It doesn't matter what you do, the cocci is always going to be present in the soil, and your birds will always have some level of infection. As soon as you finish treating them for it they will be exposed again and will pick it up again. I noticed that birds I kept here until they were older than 12 weeks and had been successfully transitioned from wire floors to being on the ground had a higher incidence of mortality after being sold and moving to a new home. The younger chicks that had never been on our soil here actually do better. I believe they get exposed to the strain/s we have here and they build up their tolerance to those. Then when they are moved to a new location they are exposed to a different strain that they have no resistance to (My understanding is that Peas are susceptible to several different strains.) Cocci was not immediately suspected because these were older chicks 5-7 months, so we all thought they were past the high risk months. As a result I now recommend to all buyers that they purchase corid and use the preventative dose for several weeks, and as a PRN after that. @KsKingBee can the wild birds get into Peanellipea's pen or could you have possibly carried anything in on your shoes? Or the bottom of a feed or water bucket you maybe sat down on the ground while opening a door? These microscopic pests are hard to avoid unless we are going to invest in bio-hazard suits to wear while caring for our peas and install chemical decontamination showers between every pen. At least you know what is happening and are prepared to deal with it, she is in good hands!

I have been doing some reading and coccidia is present in an animals intestin and the fecal matter from the infected animal is how it is transmited it does not reproduce in the soil so that does not jive with the statement that it is in all soil , it starts in an animals intestine, soil is not a host

 

[zazouse]

How is Miss PeanelliPea this morning?

 

[DylansMom]

I have been doing some reading and coccidia is present in an animals intestin and the fecal matter from the infected animal is how it is transmited it does not reproduce in the soil so that does not jive with the statement that it is in all soil , it starts in an animals intestine, soil is not a host

As long as there are wild birds pooping on the soil, the cocci is in the soil. Of course soil is not a host, but it doesn't need to be, the cocci can survive for quite a while outside of a host. This is why burning the ground is used to try to sterilize an environment.

 

[Garden Peas]

As long as there are wild birds pooping on the soil, the cocci is in the soil. Of course soil is not a host, but it doesn't need to be, the cocci can survive for quite a while outside of a host. This is why burning the ground is used to try to sterilize an environment.

Aren't the oocytes encysted in some kind of little super-capsules?

The thing that confuses me still, is this whole business of certain strains occurring in certain critters, different ones for different species of birds, and also for mammals too, right?

So I just continue to not understand how transmission takes place between species unless there is overlap and cross-transmission. I haven't found a good explanation for this yet... no time to look on Christmas eve

 

[zazouse]

I wonder why some folks never have a problem with this ? This needs to be figured out and perhaps we can find a way to stop this , just wondering out loud.

Folks are told to keep the wee peas off the ground for the first 4 months and keep them on medicated feed and still some get sick no matter what they do, it is just heart breaking

I put my babies in a ground brooder at 2 days of age and turn them loose as soon as the last ones are big enough so a snake does not eat them, and they do great. The only thing i am vigil about is keeping them wormed and that will not prevent or cure coccidia

i have all kinds of migratory birds here plus the ones that live here all the time and have never had a problem with any animal getting cocci and i have lived here over 30 years.

I guess until we figure this out i will not be introducing any more peas to my flock for fear of bringing the pea strain of this coccidia to my existing birds,

I got what i need to produce my own silvers just need some years to come and go but i sure am thinking hard about some pure greens I believe I have enough money set aside from my bird sales to by a couple pairs or a trio

I am just scared about this coccia stuff when it come to such expensive birds

 

[KsKingBee]

PeanelliPea is what Q8 called a 'Lazy Pea', she sleeps all the time. This is just after waking up this morning.



Unforetunly the scale did not like sleeping in the garage overnight, the battery was dead.

This is her morning deposit after tube feeding. Mostly water, and she does have mash available that she has been picking at.



And back to sleep. We will be gone all day so will get her weight in the morning and we will see how she responds then.