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[Randykr]

Great Post DAWG.... sick pic tho....

 

[Ridgerunner]

If it reduces parasite load, what is the problem? You can do a Google search if you'd like to find a studies. I am simply offering suggestions that have worked for me and my birds.

"If " is the middle word in life. That can be a problem when it comes to curing disease, and whether life is sustained or not. You claimed pumpkin seeds and castor oil are a "dewormer". I merely asked if you could provide something scientifically substantial to prove that. Then you mention Google. You might want to consider the outside environment/climate may be the reason you never see worms, and that pumpkin seed and castor oil have nothing to do with it. Many people on this forum can attest to parasitic worms being abundant in temperate or more humid climates as opposed to more arid climates. If you can't provide any trial records proving pumpkin seeds and castor oil are a dewormer from any College station in the United States, or anywhere else, just say so. Personal websites, opinions, and blogs don't get a pass.

Exerpts from various studies. Links provided.

http://www.scsrpc.org/SCSRPC/Publications/part5.htm

Diatomaceous Earth

Diatomaceous earth is fossilized unicellular marine or fresh water algae called diatoms. It is used as a food ingredient (read the labels on processed foods) and in swimming pool filters. There are cautions about using the swimming pool grade for feeding animals in that it can be contaminated with heavy metals whereas the food grade must be proven to have non toxic levels of heavy metals. Diatomaceous earth has been used for many years for control of various pests from grain weevils to houseflies. Goat producers that use it for deworming control often mix it with the mineral supplement or in the feed. Most claims are that it extends the time between dewormings although some claim that it kills worms in goats. There have been 4 or 5 scientific studies and the data consistently show that diatomaceous earth does not kill worms in goats although one study did show that at a very high level (5% of the diet), it had a slight effect. There is speculation that it may help fecal pellets to dry out faster which could reduce the success of eggs developing into infective L3 larvae. Research conducted on this aspect has not been conclusive. It is very difficult to study the claim that diatomaceous earth increases the time between dewormings.

http://mysare.sare.org/mySARE/ProjectReport.aspx?do=viewRept&pn=LNE08-269&y=2012&t=1

Pumpkin seeds
In experiment one, pumpkin seeds were not effective in reducing FEC in meat goat kids (see figure 1 in appendix 2). However, the method of administration (grinded pumpkin seeds) might not have been the most effective treatment method because the goats failed to consume all the seeds fed and sorted quite a bit. In subsequent university experiments (4, 5, and 8) testing the efficacy of pumpkin seeds in various forms (drench and oil), even though there was no significant reduction in fecal egg counts over time, numerically, the pumpkin seed groups had lower fecal egg counts most of the time. The only exception to this was in the once weekly pumpkin seed oil group in experiment seven where the fecal egg counts were numerically higher than that of both the control and three times weekly pumpkin seed oil treatment groups at most time points measured. For instance, in experiment four, after 7 days on treatment, fecal egg counts were reduced by 23% in the water/untreated group (CON), 32% in the ginger treated (GIN) group and by 60% in the pumpkin seed drench group (PUM; Appendix 3, Figure 2). Also, during the 42-day period, three kids from the water/untreated group and five kids from the ginger drenched group were dewormed and removed from the study. Even though there were kids in the pumpkin drenched group with fecal egg counts as high as others in the other two groups, none showed clinical signs of infection (PCV<15%, diarrhea, or bottle jaw) and were therefore not dewormed (Appendix 3, Figure 2). This indicates that the pumpkin seed drench might actually promote some resilience to high parasite infections and should be investigated further. In addition, when animals were all slaughtered and stomach worm counts conducted, the untreated group had more worms (1,857) compared to both the ginger (549) and pumpkin seed (869) drenched groups. In all experiments, with the exception of experiment eight, body weight increased steadily over the study period in all groups (Appendix 2 - 5). The goat kids in experiment eight took a week to adjust to the pumpkin seed oil and therefore lost weight from day 0 to 7 before steadily gaining for the remainder of the experiment. As for the two producer studies, fecal egg counts were not reduced over the 28-day period. However, in both experiments, the goats and lambs took at least 14-days to adjust to eating sufficient pumpkin seeds and a longer study period might have resulted in different results

Then the one that I love.

http://www.desu.edu/sites/default/files/Pumpkin Seeds-Worms_DJO.pdf

Under the conditions of our study, however, pumpkin seeds were not effective in reducing FEC in meat goat kids. In addition, feeding pumpkin seeds did not have an effect on body weight or PCV. The FEC averaged 5965 eggs per gram (epg) at the start of the study, 6411 epg on day 7, 3425 epg by day 14 and 3655 epg on day 21 (see graph for individual group FEC). However, we did observe that goat kids were sorting through feed and leaving behind a substantial amount of the ground pumpkin seeds (not surprising since we all know goats can be picky eaters!).

 

[Michael Apple]

Thanks for taking the trouble to post all of that Ridgerunner, but that just doesn't show me anything substantial about castor oil or pumpkin seeds removing/preventing intestinal worms at all. The links reference goats, not chickens.

 

[SaltyPaws]

I have watched puppies get parvo 2-3 weeks after their 2nd vaccine. I've watched a fully vaccinated 10 month old dog get parvo. I've seen this happen and then healed them with amber tech's products. Other dog rescue people have too. In our rescue alone we saved 90% of parvo pups. Of these half had at least 2 shots 2 weeks apart at 8 weeks+ Vaccines don't always protect especially with a virus like parvo. It has mutated several times and continues to do so. Vaccines Dont protect against every strain of a virus. Bottom line here-If it saves parvo puppies I'm going to use it. My animals are healthy. OP asked for natural or organic options that work. I'm sharing what has worked for me. I'm not here to argue about the merits of what I use to someone who is out to prove me wrong for some reason.

I wonder if it ever occurred to this person that Parvo vaccinations have prevented problems for many years and is generally given at 3-4 weeks of age as a booster and again at 20 weeks. The ***** not being current on vaccinations doesn't help either. I call BS on this site. If their main reason is to earn a living from home as an LLC (limited liability) company selling office supplies and computer parts, why would I trust them with medicinal information? Qualifications? I don't see it. Lots of scams going these days. I'd avoid this like the plague.

The herbs in the Parvaid and Vibactra Plus work just as well if you buy them separately and mix yourself. Its just easier to buy it as the tincture.

 

[SaltyPaws]

I started using amber techs products under the recommendation of an experienced shelter worker when my dog contracted parvo.

She didn't sell it, made no money from it.

 

[Michael Apple]

I have watched puppies get parvo 2-3 weeks after their 2nd vaccine. I've watched a fully vaccinated 10 month old dog get parvo.

Proper sanitary conditions, vaccination of adults, and vaccination of pups at 6-8 weeks on is the way to prevent parvo, not treating symptoms. The Op's question was answered about effective wormers, and I hope you see no more pups with parvo by following the proper preventative procedures. Consult with your local veterinarian about controlling parvo. Any further discussion of parvo in dogs should be reserved for another thread out of respect to the OP, and the subject of intestinal worm control.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Thanks for taking the trouble to post all of that Ridgerunner, but that just doesn't show me anything substantial about castor oil or pumpkin seeds removing/preventing intestinal worms at all. The links reference goats, not chickens.

Michael if you can find any reliable studies on chickens, post away. All I can do is find what studies I can and interpolates from that. Without any better studies, that means these are basically opinions, based on the best information known, but still an opinion, whichever side of these questions you are on.

 

[Michael Apple]

Michael if you can find any reliable studies on chickens, post away. All I can do is find what studies I can and interpolates from that. Without any better studies, that means these are basically opinions, based on the best information known, but still an opinion, whichever side of these questions you are on.

There is no side to take, only fact, and I've posted numerous articles from University Department trials about the removal/ prevention of intestinal worms in poultry in the past. Here's a few to accept or not accept. Those who do not accept facts of scientific trial studies will follow the path of others who've posted in the Emergencies section of the forum, and lost birds or had sick birds due to intestinal worms.I'll use common sense, as I'm done with this thread:

http://japr.fass.org/content/16/3/392.full.pdf

http://msucares.com/poultry/diseases/disparas.htm#asc

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/vm015

 

[Ridgerunner]

Could you please point out the mention of pepper, pumpkin seeds, or things organic in any of your links? The OP’s question is on organic methods. If your links are not about organic methods, they are not relevant to the OP’s post.

I agree there are medicines that have been developed to handle the different worm problems. They work when used appropriately, especially in commercial settings where changing out flocks on a regular basis in confined spaces makes sanitation easy. The same sanitation doesn’t always apply to backyard flocks where they range on dirt instead of inside buildings.

 

[centrarchid]

Lets drop the use of "fact" unless in the courtroom. The results of a given trial indicating control or not applies only to that situation. It provides evidence but does not mean pattern is held every time but can be evidence needed to imply consistency. I like to see multiple trials coming to similar conclusions. Even then situations can change with formulation used, availability of formulation, and the efficacy of a given formulation over time as a function of target organisms ability to tolerate it. My business is science and the term "fact" is usually restricted to legal concerns. We are interpreting results of scientific publications here. After all that, the evidence strongly supports the industry standard de-wormers are effective at controlling worms in poultry while the non-purified products are inconsistent at best. I do not state such as a fact, rather as a professional interpretation of the available research findings.