Pied vs Split to White?

[deerman]

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Dark pied and split to whites are very genetically different. They look about the same, visually though. Only way to be sure without records is by breeding and see what chicks they produce. For example, if bird in question is bred to a White and all Pied chicks result, the bird in question is a Dark Pied. If the chicks come out half White, half IB with some white on wings, then it is a STW.

Some have said that if the bird has a white patch on throat, they suspect it is a dark pied. I've had known split whites to have that though so it is not totally foolproof. If white eyed is in the mix, they often will produce the white throat when split to white.

 

[Kev]

Thanks, hope you are having good holidays, deerman. Nice grandkids too.

 

[coleridgedane]

Thanks bunches guys!!!!! I'll be getting a white soon.
Now the question is how to tell a cock from a hen...they're about 6 mos old. I understand this is quite difficult.

 

[PeacockMan]

Breeding India Blue Pieds will only result in a few good looking pieds with a fair amount of white on them. Many more will have some amount of white in their wing but still not totally bad looking. The remainder will be "Dark Pieds." These are the pieds with only some white in the flight feathers. Why everybody wants to call them "split to white" I have no friggin idea.

 

[casportpony]

Breeding India Blue Pieds will only result in a few good looking pieds with a fair amount of white on them. Many more will have some amount of white in their wing but still not totally bad looking. The remainder will be "Dark Pieds." These are the pieds with only some white in the flight feathers. Why everybody wants to call them "split to white" I have no friggin idea. 

The I have a pen that has nothing but birds with white flights and tiny throat patches and they produce nothing but whites, solids and solids w/white flights... I can assure you that mine are not dark pieds.

-Kathy

 

[RubyNala97]

I'm just trying to figure this out. One of my peachicks hatched and I noticed they have 3 white feathers on one wing. Are these primary feathers? And does that make the chick pied? I can take pictures of the parents next time I go visit them and maybe you guys can tell me what kind of peas they are.

 

[DylansMom]

I'm just trying to figure this out. One of my peachicks hatched and I noticed they have 3 white feathers on one wing. Are these primary feathers? And does that make the chick pied? I can take pictures of the parents next time I go visit them and maybe you guys can tell me what kind of peas they are.

A white bird requires 2 copies of the white gene, a dark pied requires 2 copies of the pied gene, an actual pied requires 1 white gene and 1 pied gene. These are alleles and are located at the same spot on the DNA strand so there is only room for 2 total. A bird split to white has 1 white gene and a bird split to pied has 1 pied gene. Those 3 white feathers could indicate a split to white, or a split to pied, or a dark pied(they show little white) or it could indicate the presence of White Eye. You can rule some of these out if you know for certain the genetics of the parents, otherwise the only way to figure it out is strategic breeding and good record keeping, but 3 white feathers do not make it a pied. Primaries will be the big long wing feathers, secondaries are much smaller.

 

[casportpony]

I'm just trying to figure this out. One of my peachicks hatched and I noticed they have 3 white feathers on one wing. Are these primary feathers? And does that make the chick pied? I can take pictures of the parents next time I go visit them and maybe you guys can tell me what kind of peas they are.

Source: http://swittersb.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/fly-tying-a-whole-wing-what-to-do/wing-anatomy/

 

[RubyNala97]

A white bird requires 2 copies of the white gene, a dark pied requires 2 copies of the pied gene, an actual pied requires 1 white gene and 1 pied gene. These are alleles and are located at the same spot on the DNA strand so there is only room for 2 total. A bird split to white has 1 white gene and a bird split to pied has 1 pied gene. Those 3 white feathers could indicate a split to white, or a split to pied, or a dark pied(they show little white) or it could indicate the presence of White Eye. You can rule some of these out if you know for certain the genetics of the parents, otherwise the only way to figure it out is strategic breeding and good record keeping, but 3 white feathers do not make it a pied. Primaries will be the big long wing feathers, secondaries are much smaller.

[COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Source: http://swittersb.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/fly-tying-a-whole-wing-what-to-do/wing-anatomy/[/COLOR]

Thank you both!! I plan on visiting the parents soon and taking some photos. The owner told me that he's not totally sure but thinks they are IB/black shoulder. But I noticed a few white areas on each bird. I'll take photos of each bird in the pen and then you guys can help me figure out what I'm dealing with. I was looking for a picture like that on google but wasn't sure what to type in. It's perfect! Thank you so much!!

 

[casportpony]

Quote: I found it by doing a seacrh like this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=avi...v&ved=0CCIQsARqFQoTCMa84umV6sYCFYKViAod0N8Prg

-Kathy