Place Your Bets… Coydog?

[HollowOfWisps]

I’m especially interested in opinions like both of yours where you’ve seen similar mixes. I have not and therefore have nothing to compare it to.

I’ve also never had a pup with a personality like this one. Strangely intelligent and aloof. The intelligence could come from the Aussie and the aloofness from the Pyrenees, but its an odd combination. I’ve raised bulldogs my entire life, and retrievers, curs, misc. hunting dogs, and yard mutts on the periphery. This personality is all together different. Could be because the LGD is a different personality from a different behavioral genetic tree from what amounts to hunting and blood-sport dogs I’ve always raised.

Or maybe its half-wild? I would guess it would be timid. Timid it isn’t. But its still something very different than I’m used to. Genius level intelligence compared to even smart dogs like Catahoulas at the same age.

If she is half coyote she wouldn’t necessarily be timid. Growing up my grandpa always told us to steer clear of the coydogs because being half domestic made them less timid, more bold and scary smart compared to pure wild one. I don’t know though I only ever saw them far away and when I did I slowly backed away to where I came from. I didn’t want to chance getting to know one up close and personal

 

[Ilovemychicks08]

A family pet shouldn’t be aggressive like that

Agreed

 

[Florida Bullfrog]

A family pet shouldn’t be aggressive like that

I expect my family dogs to kill a strange human they don’t know that’s doing something threatening. If my daughter was playing in the yard and a strange human strolled out of the woods on her and advanced towards her, my bulldogs would be defective if they didn’t split the human open if the stranger advanced too close to my daughter.

On the other hand, a dog is also defective when they’re prone to misconstrue human behavior as threatening when it is not. Or alternatively to misconstrue a human as prey when they are not (as bulldogs can be prone to do).

Can I really say a momma dog is defective for aggressively attacking a strange human that picks up her puppy in front of her? I had the intent at that
moment to take the puppy away. I would definitely find it defective if she did that to her master or master’s family. She should tolerate them handling the pups all they want. But I am not her master nor am I an acquaintance.

I agree with you that a person shouldn’t apologize for dangerous animals. People do it all the time. Especially in the bulldog world and as a bulldog lover, I’m always fighting against bulldog owners who excuse dangerous dogs.

In this specific instance, I assume any momma dog will bite a stranger that’s a real or imagined threat to their young. Breed doesn’t matter. They probably should have that instinct. It just didn’t cross either my mind or the breeder’s mind at that moment that having the mother within biting distance of me wasn’t a good idea while I wrangled with the puppy. We were lax. I know better. My daughter got bit in the face and arm by one of my brother’s dogs after she had just whelped a litter. That dog, a blue tick hound, was the most laid back dog in the world. But instincts rule all when offspring are involved.

 

[tripletfeb]

I’m especially interested in opinions like both of yours where you’ve seen similar mixes. I have not and therefore have nothing to compare it to.

I’ve also never had a pup with a personality like this one. Strangely intelligent and aloof. The intelligence could come from the Aussie and the aloofness from the Pyrenees, but its an odd combination. I’ve raised bulldogs my entire life, and retrievers, curs, misc. hunting dogs, and yard mutts on the periphery. This personality is all together different. Could be because the LGD is a different personality from a different behavioral genetic tree from what amounts to hunting and blood-sport dogs I’ve always raised.

Or maybe its half-wild? I would guess it would be timid. Timid it isn’t. But its still something very different than I’m used to. Genius level intelligence compared to even smart dogs like Catahoulas at the same age.

LGD have an intelligence that is uncanny. I just think you aren't familiar with their smarts and are thinking it's half coyote. And yes, they can be aloof and very attached to the animals they should be guarding. There is a woman on youtube who's great pyr was watching her goats and the momma goat was having an issue kidding and the dog actually pulled the kid out. The kid was already passed but the dog cleaned it and cleaned up momma goat as well, so no predators could smell anything. Very smart and loyal dogs. Not to discount what I'm saying but a pup's ears sometimes won't raise until 6 months or longer. That being said, I still say the LGD is the father

 

[ShrekDawg]

I expect my family dogs to kill a strange human they don’t know that’s doing something threatening. If my daughter was playing in the yard and a strange human strolled out of the woods on her and advanced towards her, my bulldogs would be defective if they didn’t split the human open if the stranger advanced too close to my daughter.

On the other hand, a dog is also defective when they’re prone to misconstrue human behavior as threatening when it is not. Or alternatively to misconstrue a human as prey when they are not (as bulldogs can be prone to do).

Can I really say a momma dog is defective for aggressively attacking a strange human that picks up her puppy in front of her? I had the intent at that
moment to take the puppy away. I would definitely find it defective if she did that to her master or master’s family. She should tolerate them handling the pups all they want. But I am not her master nor am I an acquaintance.

I agree with you that a person shouldn’t apologize for dangerous animals. People do it all the time. Especially in the bulldog world and as a bulldog lover, I’m always fighting against bulldog owners who excuse dangerous dogs.

In this specific instance, I assume any momma dog will bite a stranger that’s a real or imagined threat to their young. Breed doesn’t matter. They probably should have that instinct. It just didn’t cross either my mind or the breeder’s mind at that moment that having the mother within biting distance of me wasn’t a good idea while I wrangled with the puppy. We were lax. I know better. My daughter got bit in the face and arm by one of my brother’s dogs after she had just whelped a litter. That dog, a blue tick hound, was the most laid back dog in the world. But instincts rule all when offspring are involved.

Oh wow

 

[SandyRiverChick]

That is a VERY Cute puppy!! I'm really familiar with people confusing LGD mixes for Leonbergers. It's the dark face mask. It's common to get the face mask with Pyrenees in the mix too. See this actual Leonberger pup face mask.... SO many mixed pups can look like this too. I'm pretty confident Pyreenes is puppy daddy...

 

[HollowOfWisps]

That is a VERY Cute puppy!! I'm really familiar with people confusing LGD mixes for Leonbergers. It's the dark face mask. It's common to get the face mask with Pyrenees in the mix too. See this actual Leonberger pup face mask.... SO many mixed pups can look like this too. I'm pretty confident Pyreenes is puppy daddy...View attachment 3887411

Oh my I need this puppy in my life

 

[MommyGirl]

She looks a lot like a couple of my dogs when they were pups! I will have to see if I can find some pics. The mom was a neighborhood dog that just roamed all over. Never knew if she had a home or grew up in the wild she would never let no one touch her but we use to swear she was part coyote. In fact we named her yoty. The dad is now 12 1/2 (Tank) part bull mastiff and German shepherd. And I still own 3 of their pups together

I found a pic. This is my 2

 

[SandyRiverChick]

Oh my I need this puppy in my life

Here's another

 

[The Coop Crew]

This might be a long shot but I have a dog who is a boxer mix. Mom is boxer but they don’t know who dad is. The vet mentioned maybe Catahoula because of the way she looks. I’ll attach some photos!

@Florida Bullfrog any idea if that’s what she’s mixed with? What do you think?