Please help, goat registration Q's

[Cara]

I admit it, goat registration is a complete mystery to me. My husband finds the whole subject highly amusing, even if I threaten to send him to the state fair in a rhinestone goat-showing ensemble.

We are purchasing a new goat on Tuesday. I'll quote the seller because it's like another language to me. I've tried reading the ADGA website and it's even less clear afterwards.

She is 'registered as an experimental', because she is 88% sable but not colored. Is there any point in having her papers transferred?

The seller has also offered us a registered Saanen buck. Is there much point in me having a registered buck when my herd consists of:

A 'Native on Appearance' Sable
2 'Native on Appearance' Saanens
The 'experimental' doe (that just sounds so weird!)
A grade Sable buck (son of the NOA Sable doe and a registered Sable buck)

Will the offspring be registerable in any meaningful way? Thanks!

 

[Haviris]

I thought they wouldn't register a NOA buck?

In my opinion, Yes! I would want a registered buck, w/ him the % on the kids will go up.

Don't know if that helps, I have Nigerians and they don't do experimentals or NOA.

 

[Cara]

It does help

The thing that confuses me is how the percentages are calculated.

You're right, the Sable buck is not NOA. I think he's just a grade. He's out of a registered buck but the NOA doe.

 

[Cara]

I found out the buck is the half brother of my doelings, so he's a no go

The search continues!

 

[Haviris]

Well that's to bad.

As for the calculations, if you breed a NOA doe to a registered buck the kids are 50%, but they will only register the doe kids, when those does are bred to registered bucks the doe kids will be 75%, I'm not sure past that, but I think it takes two more generations for them to be registered American, and then the bucklings can also be registered. Atleast that's my understanding. I had a 75% alpine doe, and a NOA doe, but ended up selling them before I bred them (I didn't have access to a buck for them anyway, other then a nigi if I wanted 1st generation mini alpines).

 

[()relics]

The billy would need to be a full blood if you want to get anywhere. The native on appearance animals you listed..have they been certified so? If they have been they should have paper work from the breed registry saying so...The billy must be a full blood in order to register the kids out of the NOA does...Now here it can get cofusing...if the does have been NOA certified they are consider 50% percentage does....By breeding your fullblood billy to them your subsequent female kids would be 75%...if the does you speak of aren't certified NOA then you will have 50% female kids....This only works if you have a "FULL BLOOD" billy....if the seller doesn't have paper work that verifys the billy full blood status I wouldn't waste your time...Unless you have no intentions of someday bringing your goats into the show ring...the paper work is worth the extra money...IMO