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[Sportsterjeep]

Ohio Nationals were rather humorous, all the "self blue" silkies had Lavender on the cage tags and were crossed out and rewritten with self blue. The whole self blue name just confuses most people, rename it entirely across the board as Lavender. With chocolate, there are very few actual "chocolate" birds, seramas being the one coming to mind right now. White Crested Chocolate polish is what everyone knows them by and luckily what what they are listed as in the standard. Where the need to know the Dun factor really plays in, is in the genetic end and breeding, especially if you are using polish to introduce the color into another breed.

 

[scbatz33]

so if I have a tolbunt polish my breeding hens should start with good GL hens? Taking then G1 chicks and breeding best females back to sire? or is that too close?

 

[Sportsterjeep]

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Yup, that's the gist of it. Sent you a pm, sorry it took so long.

For everyone else, the biggest piece of advice I can give is this. If you want to work with this line get the best foundation roo you can get your hands on. Healthy, good type, free of crooked toes, and as close to the standard, coloring and type wise as you can find. It's my opinion that breeding any inferior, crooked toe, sickly looking roo, will only set the whole breed back rather than help it. Find one that meets what you need and wait until you find him to buy. Breed him to the best tolbunt hens from another line, or the best gl hens you can find. The hens should be the best for type that you can find. Take the F1's back to the foundation roo, then the F2's, etc. You will do this all the way through F5. The GL will only be used for the initial breeding. The F1's will look more like a GL than a tolbunt, this is ok as the following generations will look more and more like a tolbunt. After the F5's go back to the foundation roo, you will swap out roos for another good roo and start the process again. This came from someone at PSU who has experience on working with genetically bad lines.
You're going to have to cull birds like crazy out of your program, growing out all the chicks and evaluating. This breed also doesn't lay until it's almost a year old, another factor that weeds people out of working with them. Crossing them to a GL isn't a set in stone only outcross. It is my opinion that using the gl is the best option to put new genes into the line without creating more work. I have talked to other tolbunt breeders who also agree with this mindset and have had very good results and gotten increased fertility and a better overall bird.

ETA: Had to fix grammar after proofreading.

 

[Silkie Sue]

i saw my first polish at an auction and fell in love
this is what i got for 10 bucks

his name is Donnie and he is wonderful

 

[BookWorm243]

These are my polish I love having them!

Silkie Sue: Love your rooster!

 

[scbatz33]

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Yup, that's the gist of it. Sent you a pm, sorry it took so long.

For everyone else, the biggest piece of advice I can give is this. If you want to work with this line get the best foundation roo you can get your hands on. Healthy, good type, free of crooked toes, and as close to the standard, coloring and type wise as you can find. It's my opinion that breeding any inferior, crooked toe, sickly looking roo, will only set the whole breed back rather than help it. Find one that meets what you need and wait until you find him to buy. Breed him to the best tolbunt hens from another line, or the best gl hens you can find. The hens should be the best for type that you can find. Take the F1's back to the foundation roo, then the F2's, etc. You will do this all the way through F5. The GL will only be used for the initial breeding. The F1's will look more like a GL than a tolbunt, this is ok as the following generations will look more and more like a tolbunt. After the F5's go back to the foundation roo, you will swap out roos for another good roo and start the process again. This came from someone at PSU who has experience on working with genetically bad lines.
You're going to have to cull birds like crazy out of your program, growing out all the chicks and evaluating. This breed also doesn't lay until it's almost a year old, another factor that weeds people out of working with them. Crossing them to a GL isn't a set in stone only outcross. It is my opinion that using the gl is the best option to put new genes into the line without creating more work. I have talked to other tolbunt breeders who also agree with this mindset and have had very good results and gotten increased fertility and a better overall bird.

ETA: Had to fix grammar after proofreading.

Is having a crooked toe(s) like having an incorrect comb? That is to say so hard to weed out and correct that it's not worth the effort?

 

[Sportsterjeep]

You can weed it out. It's something you'll cull for. You don't want it in the roo that you're using and bringing back all your future generations to though. Then it just becomes counter productive. While trying to eliminate that specifc undesirable trait you are reintroducing it with each subsequent generation, after you have tried to cull it out.

ETA: fixed spelling, stupid smartphone

 

[scbatz33]

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Smartphones ARE stupid!

And that was what I was afraid you'd say...since the roo is who you're using for the 5 generations, then you possibly end up giving that gene back to every bird either initially or in the subsequent generations - thus having a higher rate of culls since the liklihood of the gene showing itself is higher.

Dagnabbit!

 

[BBK]

Tolbunt only come in LF size... Is this my understanding...? Why are there so many frizzle pics of tlobunts? If it's hard enough to get get it right, why do people add that frizzle gene to the mix? Just wondering...I see a lot of those pictures, more than the smooth type.
Another question.... why isn't there an ALL black Polish LF/Banty? There's an all white....again just wondering...my girl is almost all black!
Melinda

 

[acid_chipmunk]

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There is all black Polish, called self black, but I don't believe we have them here. They do in Europe and there are pictures on Feathersite.