Popular Music , Dumbing Down Our Kids?

Hey, just because you don't listen to any good rap doesn't mean it does not exist or isn't popular in its own right--Public Enemy, Del tha funkee homosapien, Sage Francis. I really hate the 1980s hair band metal, myself.

I didn't like a lot of music until I worked for a radio station in college that played all genres--pop, metal, rap, classical, bluegrass, jazz, country, opera, punk, international world music, folk, everything. There's good and bad in every genre. It takes a lot of time and effort to learn to appreciate different kinds of music than the sort you're used to, but certainly worth the effort.

One interesting thing I learned is that lots of commercially-popular music, such as Guns-n-Roses, Poison, the Jonas Brothers, Britney Spears etc. do not actually write much of their own music. They might come up with lyrics and a sort of basic chord structure, but the rest is developed and filled in by studio musicians. Before the band can go on tour, they spend a lot of time in the studio just learning how to play and sing their own songs. Some are just not good enough musicians themselves, and end up having most of their "live" performances dubbed. Explains why so much music from certain record producers sounds terribly similar, doesn't it? And also why American Idol contestants compete by singing other people's songs instead of howevermany of their own songs--you'd think the real test of someone's musical skill would be writing and singing/playing one's own work, right? Not so much.

Most commercial stations, both TV and radio, are owned by single media conglomerates--Clear Channel controls an awful lot of radio stations as "turnkey" operations that simply broadcast a computer-controlled feed without any DJs. If you're a record company and by some miracle you have signed a talented musician, these sorts of media conglomerates make it nearly impossible to promote a good musician; in the olden days of the 1930s - 1980s, producers simply sent free records to the radio stations for the station staff to play as they saw fit. Good music would gain airtime by listener requests, mostly, and grew in popularity by a quasi-democratic process. When a media conglomerate owns 1000 radio stations all over the country, and only plays music from a playlist selected by a few managers who are working with only a few record producers, you're naturally only going to get the crud that those producers want you to hear--you can't even request anything in particular, there's no one to call.

Thus ends your Modern Music Appreciation class of the day.
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Ok I'd agree with part of that. First though those groups should never be spoken in the same sentence togther. GnR and Poison are in different classes then the Jonas Bors. and Britney Spears.

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Is that not "writing music" and you do know who GnR and Poison are right?

Poison and GnR last I knew always played live. The other posers mention especially Britney (who has been proven does not perform live) do not.

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Music is a reflection of the culture to which it is directed. The Beatles, 'Stones, even AC/DC were/are at least clever, if not sublime. Much of today's rock, EMO, pop and country still is both clever and sublime.

However, so called music including lyrics like "I Like Big Butts..." or "Bitc**s aint nuttin' but H*'s and Tric**" well... it isn't.
You can't sugar coat that.

Sorry.

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America, as a whole has, "dumbed down." Present company excepted, of course.

I once copied the 1907 commencement test from our small-town school. I struggled with it, but passed it well enough. However, many of the people I know, college educated, smart people - were incapable of completing it.



It was an eighth grade test.
 
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Popular Music , Dumbing Down Our Kids?

What passes as literature is doing the same thing. When did mediocrity become mainstream?​
 
all I have to say is

DO WAH DIITY DITTY DUM DITTY DO

The way I look at it is if I start complaining about the popular music it means I'm getting old
 
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Manfred Mann was the first western act to tour behind the Iron Curtain, IIRC. That is monumental and counts, even still.

I just can't see Flava Flav doing anything as noteworthy.
 
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No, it's not the same as writing all your own music. Look, if I tell Stephen King that I have an idea for a story about an evil scary clown from outer space with spider fangs, and Stephen King goes on to write IT, I am surely not the author. Yes, it's astonishing how even old ladies like me manage to keep up with what the young people are listening to these days, including all the mediocre metal hair bands which are now "retro."
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Poison and GnR last I knew always played live.

I realize this bit was buried in the paragraph and you may have easily missed it:
Before the band can go on tour, they spend a lot of time in the studio just learning how to play and sing their own songs.

Many do learn how to play better under the tutelage of studio musicians, and eventually become much better musicians later in their careers, able to work more independently. One of DH's favorite punk bands, Joy Division, worked with studio musicians to develop their skills after their lead singer died, and became quite successful as Britpop stars New Order. Not to say that Joy Division did not have talent, but they got much better as musicians with training. Joy Division and early New Order were known for repeatedly canceling shows and inconsistent performances even when they did play, but after working in Quincy Jones' studio they started turning out consistently good work at every show. It's nothing to do with live vs. recorded performances, I am saying they did not get famous because they were such great musicians to begin with--they were mediocre until someone else made them better. That's sort of a slap in the face to so many excellent musicians who trained hard to be very good to begin with, IMHO, but who will not get a chance because they cannot be indebted or manipulated by studio executives.​
 
Ok but neither Poison and GnR had the capital to employ such techniques when they started out. I do not belive that Poison did at all and GnR may have on the new album (which does not deserve the GnR name on it) but I think you are way off base with these peticular bands. The other two you listed I'd agree with you on. Your statements would also encompass all of rap and pop and the majority of country. Or at least those that are single stars that had a band hired for them.

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