Post Phoenix Pics Please

[RAREROO]

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Toni Marie Astin is a very well known breeder who lives here in Ga. and she is pretty much the Goddess of longtails. She has most any imaginable color of Phoenix and Ohiki with a lot of imported blood in her birds. She has also co written a book along with David Rogers called Long Tailed Fowl . Here is a link about the book and it has afew little sample pages in it as well. Most of Aubrey's ( Boggy Bottom Bantams' ) Phoenix are from her lines other than his newest additions from earlier this month from Mr. Cy Hyde, who is another reknownd longtail breeder and has birds with high percentage Onagadori blood in them. And my two Red Pyle Phoenix roosters that I have posted earlier in this thread are from Toni Marie Astin.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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all depends on it's lenght, when short it looks just like a basic rooster just slightly more laid back, with age and lenght (weight) it will lay back somewhat to oh ruffly a 45 degree angle to the body. I should have some good rooster pics in the earlier pages to show what I mean if you want to look threw and find them



and yes X'S 2 on TMA 's birds, to me there are none better, well maybe Cy's, but a lot of her came from him too, so really one in the same, with tha addition of her import blood to them. The true breeders of these are a very tight knit family, they all know one another, and all share their best lines.
Be careful when people throw around names a lot though, unless they can back it up, just consider them what they are, MR. X's line.
Many poeple use big names to get better prices with their birds, (kinda like Hattrick silkies) When very often, they arent what they say they are.
And once you take person X's birds and breed them to person B's, they are no longer, either's line, but your own, so watch some of them.

You can breed the best birds out there to junk mates and completely ruin the line, seen that a million times.

There are a few out there that do right though, they are the ones you want to trust.
Personally, I have 3 lines now, most all are from TM's, a few from Cy, and a few from Faile
All are penned by breeder, so not to have line mixes unless I want too, whic in these breeders cases, is a plus either way you go.

You got some pics of yours?
We'd love to see them.

 

[Alycia]

Two of my Phoenix roosters...Silver Duckwing, right? Or are they just silver? One is Tripper, I hatched him from eggs that I got from chrisf. The other is one I got for free from a lady in Vermont, his name is Lodovico

(Pardon the carriers...Lol!)

Tripper next to his buddy, an unnamed cockerel that is a mix, but looks darn close to a purebred...What do you think? I'm not going to name him because I am trying to find him a home. Just too many roosters! Tripper does have some crooked toes, but it's never come up in his offspring or his siblings.

Here is that unnamed cockerel's brother, also a Phoenix/Sumatra mix. That's his mother on the lower half of the picture. He is another I am trying to find a home for. Just too many roo's.

The two mix cockerels by their mother, Satine, and their sister, Priscilla.

Let me know what you think..I love Phoenixes

The two young mix cockerels were hatched in August or late July, if I remember correctly.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yep, that's a duck wing color, see the white triangle of colored feathers on their wings, that's what identifies them as duckwings.
If they dont have that, they are birchens, like your last 3 pics of that un named boy, he's a silver birchen.

 

[Alycia]

Wow, thanks a lot

I appreciate the help.

 

[chrisf]

Alycia, just to clarify, the line of Phoenix that Tripper came from was discontinued by me years ago. They were not from The Onagadori descendant line like your silkie mix came from, two entirely different lines. Very nice just the same.................................................Chrisf

 

[Pyncheon guy]

There is a difference between Silver and Silver Duckwing...BOTH have the white triangle...(outer side of secondaries exposed)...but the Silver Duckwing has No black stripping in the neck hackle...,where the Silvers do.... Golden and Golden Duckwing the same way

 

[Alycia]

Thanks, Chris! He is the only one I have left of the Phoenix eggs and I know for sure he isn't going anywhere. My first Phoenix

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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never heard of that in any breed. There are duck wings (with the patch) and crow wings or birchens without the patch.Then there are wheatens, which have the patch, but the hens are a totally different color. Any black streaking in the hackle is just an undesired trait in the birds, not a different color to my understanding. Many just call them silver or gold for short though.
Where did you get that info from, would like to see it myself.
Yes there is nt supposed to be any black in the hackle of perfect duckwings, but they could just have other genes mixed into them, like birchen somewhere down the line.

Not saying your wrong, just curious as I have never seen or heard of this before in any breed.

 

[Alycia]

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Hmmmm. So does that mean my boys are Silver? They definitely have black stripping in their neck hackles, from what I remember. At least one of them does anyway.