Post Phoenix Pics Please

[paris_r]

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so good for breeding but will this disqualify her for show? these are my nieces pet project and she wants to do real APA shows not just 4H

 

[onagadori]

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I would love to do a painting for you when you get ready.

Also, I am not so sure that roo is a birchen. I raise birchens.. He has a duckwing, even if it is a bad one. I see alot of poor colored silver duckwings floating around. He is also young so he could molt that out and the wing is in a weird position. Stary breasted silver duckwings are common in phoenix and he has alot of black in his hackles, which may be due to being young or possibly nonshow quality. As far as the tails go, I TOTALLY AGREE! They have been damaged, possibly due to pecking of course the young hens were missing some too and I am not sure, they could have molted them. Just my thoughts. Birchens are crowwing and also have lacing on their breasts. I am gonna go with pure silver duckwing on this one.

 

[onagadori]

Next question. Where did you get these?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yea,
I wasnt real comfortable calling him a birchen either, doesnt really look right for either to me. I see the patch you are talking about on his wing. BUT it's not a true solid white triangle like a duckwing has. Looks more like just a little lacing on the very out side thin edge of a couple feathers, which isnt correct for either. But he has that pattern all the way up the wing, except for that larger solid black (crow wing) looking patch in the mid wing section.

The black in the hackle looks like my silver birchens as well. And yep, have a couple spot breasted duckwings myself. But havent seen it on a birchen yet...So not real sure what he would be considered other than a silver, kinda resembles both in ways, and neither in ways.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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so good for breeding but will this disqualify her for show? these are my nieces pet project and she wants to do real APA shows not just 4H

The male's a no go for either level.

I cant see that second hen you have too well standing behind the roos, but she may be good.

All depends on the judge. Some will let slight cockerel feathering on hens slide, some will shoot you down for it.

In the rear facing pic, she looks to be getting spur bumps too, so that may be something to have to contend with in a few months.

If she wants to get hard core about showing, in all honesty, she may want to get some more birds. These girls will do well on the 4H level, but in sanctioned APA shows, those judges will pick them apart. Not there's a hole lot wrong with them, but they can get down to feather count, and such in the tail. One little off feather here and there, etc, they can be super picky in the bigger shows.

Like Onagadori said, do you know where they came from? With these, lines mean a lot with what you can expect to produce from your birds. So even though these arent perfect, if they did come from a great breeder, there is the possiblity of good things to come from their offspring.


But based off what I see, the pullets will do better than the cockerel, he'd be DQ ed before even being judged on color alone

 

[onagadori]

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You are absolutely right, it isn't a true solid white triangle. A bad silver duckwing will have those markings, but they are usually culled by show breeders. Black in the hackles is present in my birchens as well, but I have also seen it in hatchery silver duckwing phoenix. Hatchery phoenix also have the poor duckwing coloration, probably due to a lack of selective breeding. Of course I would judge them souly on tails.. I breed for onagadori type feathering first and color second. If he has a good tail and nice feathering, I wouldn't worry with the color, you can select it out as you go. Some of the "lesser" birds when bred together make the finest specimens of the breed.. Genetics are not totally predictable. What you see isn't always what you get.

 

[kelliepulido]

Aubery did you see the other 4pix I posted of your eggs that I hatched they all just get prettier

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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I sure did Kellie,

They rae really looking nice. Very glad they turned out good for you and you are happy with them. Should make some nice birds for you.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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You are absolutely right, it isn't a true solid white triangle. A bad silver duckwing will have those markings, but they are usually culled by show breeders. Black in the hackles is present in my birchens as well, but I have also seen it in hatchery silver duckwing phoenix. Hatchery phoenix also have the poor duckwing coloration, probably due to a lack of selective breeding. Of course I would judge them souly on tails.. I breed for onagadori type feathering first and color second. If he has a good tail and nice feathering, I wouldn't worry with the color, you can select it out as you go. Some of the "lesser" birds when bred together make the finest specimens of the breed.. Genetics are not totally predictable. What you see isn't always what you get.

I got ya now Amanda,

and yes, I too would breed based of type and tail first, and worry with color second.

 

[paris_r]

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they came from cackle hatchery, we aren't as concerned in getting awards as just not being DQ'd. 4H was a bit of a dissapointment our first year-we really didn't learn much and they don't seem to be geared to teaching as much as just attendance. we thought as long as we could do some APA shows that we would learn more and be able to network with genuine enthusiests who will help us design our birds.
we have poor luck at incubators, so we were not going to risk buying eggs from a good breeder- our hatch rate is 5%, plus we only had 6 chickens in Feb 2011, we are now over 120 or so, so we will have a surplus of broodies in the next few months to try the breeder eggs with. We also have over 20 varieties of chooks-we want to know which have the best personalities too. We found out the phoenix are really engaging, a little shy to catch but they will come to us and will even fly up tp sit on out shoulders and will 'talk' back if we talk to them. the 3 kids were encouraged to choose 2 breeds each to specialize in...the 13 year old chose the phoenix first and she is not dissapointed in them.