Post Phoenix Pics Please

[onagadori]

This is just a side note and mostly a technicality until you get very specific about color varieties as to what color varieties are accepted in the APA standard for LF Phoenix. The Silver Ducking pattern (and Golden Duckwing) as exhibited in the Old English and Modern Games is a different color pattern than the Silver or Golden patterns for the Phoenix (Silver Phoenix is the same as for Silver Leghorns). So when you start really selecting for the specifics of color type in Phoenix you need to refer to the color description in the APA SOP for Silver Phoenix and not the Silver Duckwing pattern.

Could you elaborate on the differences between the two for us? Thanks.

 

[dvang3]

dvang

dont have a male bantam yet in black. Had a nice one from the original crossing to get these, but lost him last winter. got a good many chicks coming along off these now though, so hoping to get another. If not I'll just keep breeding them to the blues, dun and lavenders til I get one.

I would love to seem some!
Hope you get some next spring

 

[Bentley]

Could you elaborate on the differences between the two for us? Thanks.

Without getting to technical and detailed and going on forever, the biggest and most obvious difference is the presence or absence of the black striping in the male hackle and saddle feathers. The Silver Duckwing pattern like seen in Old English games describes a hackle and saddle feather free from any black stripe in the feather. The Silver pattern (Like the Phoenix and Leghorn) describes a males hackle feather with a black stripe extending the length of each feather and nearly the same in the saddle but with a less prominent black stripe. So, basically a Silver Duckwing pattern you should look for a nearly solid white hackle and Saddle in males and in a Silver male the Hackle and Saddle should be white feathers with a black stripe along the shaft of each feather. There are also differences in the hens color patterns as well but they are less prominent and noticable.

 

[Bentley]

Without getting to technical and detailed and going on forever, the biggest and most obvious difference is the presence or absence of the black striping in the male hackle and saddle feathers. The Silver Duckwing pattern like seen in Old English games describes a hackle and saddle feather free from any black stripe in the feather. The Silver pattern (Like the Phoenix and Leghorn) describes a males hackle feather with a black stripe extending the length of each feather and nearly the same in the saddle but with a less prominent black stripe. So, basically a Silver Duckwing pattern you should look for a nearly solid white hackle and Saddle in males and in a Silver male the Hackle and Saddle should be white feathers with a black stripe along the shaft of each feather. There are also differences in the hens color patterns as well but they are less prominent and noticable.

Silver Color Pattern


Silver Duckwing Color Pattern

 

[onagadori]

Without getting to technical and detailed and going on forever, the biggest and most obvious difference is the presence or absence of the black striping in the male hackle and saddle feathers. The Silver Duckwing pattern like seen in Old English games describes a hackle and saddle feather free from any black stripe in the feather. The Silver pattern (Like the Phoenix and Leghorn) describes a males hackle feather with a black stripe extending the length of each feather and nearly the same in the saddle but with a less prominent black stripe. So, basically a Silver Duckwing pattern you should look for a nearly solid white hackle and Saddle in males and in a Silver male the Hackle and Saddle should be white feathers with a black stripe along the shaft of each feather. There are also differences in the hens color patterns as well but they are less prominent and noticable.

this is most interesting, because japanese onagadori I believe are bred toward the whiter hackle and saddles.. But glad to be aware of it.. Thank you..

 

[Bentley]

yep I'm thinking bantams, pretty sure I saw all 4 in it, though I may be wrong ( I don't own a copy, just trying to off memory). I'm like Amanda I don't show, but you sure see a lot of the bb's there. Think I did see a petition going around on the APA Standard to get BB's in it so they may well not be in the APA for the big birds. Crazy though seeing how bb red is about the most common color in them. Let me know what you find on the bantams. Been a few since I looked at a copy, but near certain all 4 are in it.

Interesting, I checked my 2011 Bantam Standard and they have 6 recognized varieties of Phoenix but BB Red is still not one of them. The ABA recognizes: Golden, Golden Duckwing, Light Brown, Silver, Silver Duckwing, and White Phoenix Bantams. The 2010 APA SOP only recognizes 2 varieties in both LF and Bantam, the Silver and Golden Phoenix. I have heard though that their is a petition out to get the BB Red recognized but I am not sure if they have had any qualifying meets yet.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Interesting, I checked my 2011 Bantam Standard and they have 6 recognized varieties of Phoenix but BB Red is still not one of them. The ABA recognizes: Golden, Golden Duckwing, Light Brown, Silver, Silver Duckwing, and White Phoenix Bantams. The 2010 APA SOP only recognizes 2 varieties in both LF and Bantam, the Silver and Golden Phoenix. I have heard though that their is a petition out to get the BB Red recognized but I am not sure if they have had any qualifying meets yet.

light brown basically is bb red if I'm not mistaken, just one of those odd ball names for it.

This was the list I had saw too. I had often wondered who came up with it and what they were calling just a golden and a silver. Gold and silver what?? Just had always though it was kinda screwed up in that regard.

Yes there is work underway that I saw looking around too for the LF in bb red this year. Not sure of all the in's and out's of it though I see folks are trying. Should be easy if everyone with them would pull together, after all it's basically one of the 3 main foundation varieties for the breed

 

[Bentley]

Interesting, I checked my 2011 Bantam Standard and they have 6 recognized varieties of Phoenix but BB Red is still not one of them.  The ABA recognizes: Golden, Golden Duckwing, Light Brown, Silver, Silver Duckwing, and White Phoenix Bantams.  The 2010 APA SOP only recognizes 2 varieties in both LF and Bantam, the Silver and Golden Phoenix.  I have heard though that their is a petition out to get the BB Red recognized but I am not sure if they have had any qualifying meets yet.

I think the BB Red color pattern is essentially the light Brown color pattern the ABA excepted, just slightly different but essentially the same so the BB Red can be found in bantams and from what I hear should be recognized soon in the large fowl.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Thanks. and that will get you some nice mottleds.. I will get plenty of spangled from the millie fleur project. Right now, focusing on getting my hatching done so I won't have to hatch next spring.. LOL> I probably will though.. You know how it goes.. Got any pics of your spangled birds? I think spangled and millies are gorgeous..

need to take a couple. It's a beautiful pair of project birds I got from Toni a little while back. They grew up really nice, and are some of those that I can go phoenix and ohiki with so that was great. The pullet grew up to be nearly perfect mottled in pattern. They're on the to do list of pictures

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Aubrey, you working on those lav. barred still? dun barred?

yep, had to take a break from it and didnt get much done with it this year, but did just set up the pen for both again and getting a few eggs now. Hope to get some over the fall. I'll be sure to let you know once I do.

Got a bator starting to fill up with chicks finally. They were slow to pip but working on it now. I'll get a pic of that before I move them out tomorrow for sure. Got several nice looking dun silver ginger chicks in it !!