Post Your Chocolates, Dun ,Khaki , Platinum Bird Pics

[smoothmule]

Interesting, I'll have to read it a few times for all that to sink in. I love blues but they can frustrate me. I've actually hatched several nice blues this year that are the typical andulasian type blue with lacing in my Araucana's but in the past, I have hatched some of the loveliest pale baby blues, some with darker blue spots and some simply that solid pale blue. I bred those to other colors and nearly all the chicks were that lovely pale blue. Someone posted a powder blue pair of Serama's on a facebook group that is very similar but even nicer blue because it was so clean blue with no markings.

I also have one hen that will molt and be typical laced blue but she quickly changes, sunburns or something to a rusty, almost brown color. She infuriates me, lol. She's gorgeous blue for such a short time, then a short time of looking almost dun then finishes out a terribly ugly dirty bluish color. I haven't figured her out yet but she does have a little red leakage in her neck hackles making me wonder if she isn't a brown/red with blue??? Does that sound possible?

 

[smoothmule]

Well guys something strange is going on with my flock, as I have stated earlier, my current breeding program is to isolate and extract the Dominant Pheomelanin diluter Di(Dilute) from Self Buff... doing this cross showed that my hen is carrying Blue, or a blue like gene, but as my breeding has progressed it seems that she may infact carry Dun or a blue gene that behaves like blue and dun at the same time, because I´m getting 3 shades of blue, Light Platinum blue, Dark Blue and Mauve like blues...

here pics of my Mauve like hen...


















there could be many reason for this phenotype, one of them is that the hen is a very rusty blue(ground color leakage) this is a third generation Birchen back cross to buff but lacking Db(columbian restrictor)... and the fact that Di has not been documented on Blue Birchen birds, Di could infact be Diluting blue to a Mauve/Platinum Blue like shade..


this the other blue color seggregating..

Dark blue and Platinum Blues(lighter Mauves)

I have one Araucana hen that drives me nuts trying to figure her out. I didn't raise her so I don't know her background or even what her down color was. When I got her, I thought she might be dun or something unusual. But, she produces nice blue chicks. And, she is very blue, and laced when she molts and has her new feathers but very soon, and I mean like a couple of weeks, she fades to this color...she's been in the breeding pen all summer so she's a bit messy

This is Topaz now but when she molts off these feathers in the spring, she is blue.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: That is certainly an extreme, but if her newly molted feathers are pure blue, then I would say she is a blue. I have a grey silkie whose feathers only stay black/white/grey for a couple of weeks before she starts turning brown. There are times it is difficult to distinguish her from some of my diluteed partridge.

 

[smoothmule]

When I bought that hen, I was sure I had come up on something unusual but never dreamed she was blue, and she's as blue as blue can be for a few days. Her chicks are blue. I have some of them now and they're still blue at 6 months. Now, she is just interesting to me. I'm not sure I like it, I mean if she's blue then it's a faulty blue I think. Her blue is a beautiful blue when she's molted and has new feathers but if her offspring fade like she does, that will be frustrating. I'm keeping some this year to see how they are next year and how they produce.
There has to be something that affects the blue allowing this.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

When I bought that hen, I was sure I had come up on something unusual but never dreamed she was blue, and she's as blue as blue can be for a few days. Her chicks are blue. I have some of them now and they're still blue at 6 months. Now, she is just interesting to me. I'm not sure I like it, I mean if she's blue then it's a faulty blue I think. Her blue is a beautiful blue when she's molted and has new feathers but if her offspring fade like she does, that will be frustrating. I'm keeping some this year to see how they are next year and how they produce.
There has to be something that affects the blue allowing this.

I think there were come comments on that at The Coop.

 

[smoothmule]

Yes, I'm on the coop too. I would love for someone to explain this oddity to me but no one there seems to know either.

 

[Lorilyn Farms]

Does anyone know how the pumpkin gene works?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

There is no "pumpkin" gene. It is basically buff, which is a complicated set of genes, with more than one gene combination that can create the phenotype.

 

[hoppy]

I'm trying to figure out this color. I call it khaki, it's lighter brown. here is how it came about- I'm wanting to figure out how to produce better quality birds of this color (what color to breed to)
it started with a paint silkie I purchased that had few spots and lots of this brown color. when I use him over splash, I get this color. I have 3 splash hens and 2 I know 100% these came from them as they are frizzle feathered and I have several that are frizzled khaki colored.
the frizzled hens are mother and daughter. mom is black mom x bluish dad (she was purchased) and daughter was splash mom x paint dad. (I should say that the hens are very dark blueish and I thought they were blue but noticed black flecks in the tail and occasionally on the body)

most of these khakis are without spots but I have a few that are mildly spotted like dad (and the spotting gene maybe totally unrelated)
so give me ideas on how to breed this. I was thinking black hens with this boy. I also have khaki hens but these are all related.
this is mom or grandmom


and this is dad

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I'm trying to figure out this color. I call it khaki, it's lighter brown. here is how it came about- I'm wanting to figure out how to produce better quality birds of this color (what color to breed to)
it started with a paint silkie I purchased that had few spots and lots of this brown color. when I use him over splash, I get this color. I have 3 splash hens and 2 I know 100% these came from them as they are frizzle feathered and I have several that are frizzled khaki colored.
the frizzled hens are mother and daughter. mom is black mom x bluish dad (she was purchased) and daughter was splash mom x paint dad. (I should say that the hens are very dark blueish and I thought they were blue but noticed black flecks in the tail and occasionally on the body)

most of these khakis are without spots but I have a few that are mildly spotted like dad (and the spotting gene maybe totally unrelated)
so give me ideas on how to breed this. I was thinking black hens with this boy. I also have khaki hens but these are all related.
this is mom or grandmom


and this is dad

This colouring is very common in paints, and can occur (usually in a much lesser extent) in dominant white birds as well. I call it champagne. Genetically it is not khaki (I^D/I^D). I have produced a very few dun paints (dun spots on a white background), and if I can ever get them to maturity without stupid mishaps (horse stepped on the first, heat got the second and pool got the third), I will be following some breeding advice that should shed some light on paint.

If you are wanting to produce non-spotted birds of this colour, breed to black or together, selecting for the birds with the least spoting, rather than for birds with the most spotting, as paint breeders are doing.

There is some thought that this colouring requires that a bird be gold rather than silver; that silver paints are a cleaner white. If you can get a copy of Genetics of Chicken Colours or Silkies and Silkie Bantams by Sigrid van Dort, there is a fairly extensive writeup on paints, including this off colouring