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[ocap]

thinking about music this morning,,,,,here is a song on youtube followed by a web site that is a radio station that posts lyrics and plays on the web

http://www.klove.com/music/artists/third-day/songs/i-need-a-miracle-lyrics.aspx

 

[ocap]

the giraffe's is circulatory system is interesting. A long neck gives the body two problems (issues), stroke or fainting.

stroke caused by high blood pressure in the brain that would normally happen when an animal similar to this one lowered it's head to drink. Blood would rush down the artery and explode a vessel in the brain, killing the giraffe. Interesting that the artery in the neck of the giraffe comes with pressure reducing valves that close (tighten just enough) to reduce blood pressure when the neck is lowered.

fainting would normally happen when an animal similar to the giraffe senses danger while drinking, chooses not to be lion lunch, and rapidly raises it's head gallops off at full speed. Loss of blood pressure to the brain would cause fainting and the lion lunch would happen.
The giraffe is equipped with a sponge at the base of the brain that stores the necessary amount of blood to allow the body and brain to function during the lion attack, the giraffe lives another day or longer.

how many giraffes would die before the luck of evolution figured out the solution to both problems, in my opinion all would have perished causing the extinction of the species, you decide which is the most reasonable choice, a creation event or luck.

Now bet your eternity on the choice.



Revelation 3:15-16 NASB

15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

 

[MiddleWoods]

All this, over the value of pi?

Note that the passage in I Kings explicitly gives both the diameter and the circumference. An estimate of pi is simply the ratio of the circumference to the diameter: 30/10 or exactly three. The passage in I Kings also elaborates on the depth, volume, and wall thickness of the cauldron. Rybka ignores the value given in plain words for the diameter and proceeds to develop a formula for the diameter using all the other dimensions and the totally unwarranted assumption that the cauldron was perfectly cylindrical. He converts the cubit, which was a variable unit of measure, to meters, and converts the Hebrew unit of volume, the bath, to liters. The volumes of one-bath jugs found by archaeologists give Rybka five values: 22.8, 22.9, 22.0, 22.7 and 23.3 liters. Blithely ignoring a variation of 1.3 liters or almost 6%, he averages the values to get a volume for the bath of 22.74 liters. He then puts this value into his formula and gets a value for pi of 3.143. "The calculations only warrant three-figure accuracy, however, so the final value is pi=3.14 which is identically the modern three figure value."
Now hold it a minute. First, the variation in the volume of the bath is so large that only two figure accuracy is justified, and the uncertainty is only accentuated our uncertainty as to the exact value of the cubit. Second, if the whole point of the discussion is to demonstrate the literal inerrancy of the Bible, 3.14 is just as much an approximation as 3 is. The decimal expansion of pi never ends and never repeats to infinity. (This would have been a great place to put such a statement, which would have been utterly beyond the capabilities of the ancient Hebrews, or even the translators of the King James Bible, to have known. What a stunningly convincing proof of supernatural authorship it would have been!) Finally, given a ten-cubit (about fifteen feet) diameter vessel with a circumference of fifty feet or so, anybody should be able to get at least three-figure accuracy in determining the value of pi. At the very least, anyone measuring the cauldron with even the crudest device should find a circumference of thirty-one cubits.
The clincher comes when Rybka uses his formulas to check the diameter and circumference of the cauldron. For the circumference he gets 29.97 cubits, very close to the figure of 30 given in I Kings, but he calculates the diameter to be not ten but 9.545 cubits! All Rybka has done with his elaborate manipulations is remove the approximation from the circumference to the diameter. We are told that the author of I kings did not use an approximate value for the circumference; he used an exact value but his determination of the diameter (which would by far have been the easiest dimension to get correctly) was off by about half a cubit or about nine inches!
Concludes Rybka: "Thus the Bible account is shown to be scientifically accurate."

You don't understand what you quoted. It is a disparagement of rybka's silly explanation...

Interpretation is going to make a difference, for sure. But I would rather stick with Gods' interpretation, not scientists. I wasted a good half my life on that rubbish and stopped wasting my time trying to fit scientific theory into the Bible and used it to unbrainwash myself of mans form of "science". It's not even the same thing, so there's no comparison in my book; now I get more out of the history and understanding what it was like back then because I want to be closer to God, not prove a theory right or wrong

Wow. I'm not going with a scientists interpretation, it is my own. And you are claiming that your interpretation is God's interpretation which is getting weird and very dangerous for you.

Like I've been saying all along, you are seeking historical truth from a text containing only a theological truth.

the giraffe's is circulatory system is interesting. A long neck gives the body two problems (issues), stroke or fainting.

stroke caused by high blood pressure in the brain that would normally happen when an animal similar to this one lowered it's head to drink. Blood would rush down the artery and explode a vessel in the brain, killing the giraffe. Interesting that the artery in the neck of the giraffe comes with pressure reducing valves that close (tighten just enough) to reduce blood pressure when the neck is lowered.

fainting would normally happen when an animal similar to the giraffe senses danger while drinking, chooses not to be lion lunch, and rapidly raises it's head gallops off at full speed. Loss of blood pressure to the brain would cause fainting and the lion lunch would happen.
The giraffe is equipped with a sponge at the base of the brain that stores the necessary amount of blood to allow the body and brain to function during the lion attack, the giraffe lives another day or longer.

how many giraffes would die before the luck of evolution figured out the solution to both problems, in my opinion all would have perished causing the extinction of the species, you decide which is the most reasonable choice, a creation event or luck.

Now bet your eternity on the choice.

It seems you are saying that because you don't understand something, it can't be true? Fallacy through incredulity?

Why are you making a ridiculous assumption that giraffes suddenly had a long neck rather than gradually evolving to have one? The sponge you refer to exists in many animals and didnt just spring into existence when a giraffe was suddenly born... All mammals have valves in the jugular they aren't unique to giraffes either.

 

[shortgrass]

Proverbs 20:3

3 It is to one’s honor to avoid strife,
but every fool is quick to quarrel.


2 Timothy 2:23-26

23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.


With that said, @MiddleWoods; interpret that however you wish, and I am dusting my feet off and moving on.




Happy Sunday everyone!

 

[rooster58]

The Bible just as any writing has phrases that should be taken literally and some that should be taken figuratively. One must know how to read with the guidance of the Holy Sprit to understand the difference. Where it says that God owns the cattle on a thousand hills does anyone really believe that As literal? No it is figuritive. It is meant to convey thet God owns all the cattle. One MUST take some things as literal and some things as figuritive. I hope this thought helps in this debate and we can all learn and grow from this whole discussion. May you all have a very blessed day.

 

[lazy gardener]

I would like to take a moment to share a bit of thanksgiving. Here it is, January 22. I have been seeing flocks of robins throughout this month, the first flock seen early in the month. They were feasting on the apples remaining on the trees and on the ground in a local apple orchard in the middle of a cold snap with below 0*F temps. We normally don't see robins till late March, and sometimes not until April. I thank God for the beauty of early warm days, for weather that is favorable for these delightful birds. I am thankful that ongoing weather forecasts in our area point to a mild winter and perhaps an early spring. I am thankful that I met a delightful young lady at worship this morning. She and her husband are working diligently at paying off the mortgage on her 20 acre farmstead. We had a lot to talk about!

 

[ocap]

Jesus Prophesy Study #33 "be accused by false witnesses"

Old Testament:

Psalm 27 NASB
12 Do not deliver me over to the desire of my adversaries,
For false witnesses have risen against me,
And such as breathe out violence.

Psalm 35 NASB
11 Malicious witnesses rise up;
They ask me of things that I do not know.

New Testament:

Matthew 26 NASB
60 They did not find any, even though many false witnesses came forward. But later on two came forward,

Mark 14 NASB
55 Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, and they were not finding any. 56 For many were giving false testimony against Him, but their testimony was not consistent. 57 Some stood up and began to give false testimony against Him, saying, 58 “We heard Him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with hands, and in three days I will build another made without hands.’” 59 Not even in this respect was their testimony consistent. 60 The high priest stood up and came forward and questioned Jesus, saying, “Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?” 61 But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”

 

[ocap]

Quote:

Young earth-Old earth controversy
It is possible for Christians to take either position because God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are powerful enough to have done it either way.
Atheists seem to me to be driven to the position of only accepting evolution since that is the only position that fits their world view.
The author of the book I recommended you read (chapter 10) takes the old earth side of this discussion, which seems to be your position if I understand you correctly.

Your comments can be taken as inflammatory. I am going to take that as a problem with a conversation that misunderstands language because of cultural differences between Australia and the United States of America or possibly because we can not see facial expression, tone of voice and how much I want you and the readers of this discussion to make a choice to go to heaven.

do you take the following Biblical passage literally?

Matthew 27 NASB
51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

 

[PeepersMama]

You don't understand what you quoted. It is a disparagement of rybka's silly explanation...
Wow. I'm not going with a scientists interpretation, it is my own. And you are claiming that your interpretation is God's interpretation which is getting weird and very dangerous for you.

Like I've been saying all along, you are seeking historical truth from a text containing only a theological truth.
It seems you are saying that because you don't understand something, it can't be true? Fallacy through incredulity?

Why are you making a ridiculous assumption that giraffes suddenly had a long neck rather than gradually evolving to have one? The sponge you refer to exists in many animals and didnt just spring into existence when a giraffe was suddenly born... All mammals have valves in the jugular they aren't unique to giraffes either.

The Bible is one gigantic history book. Creation happened, the Flood happened, and the crucifixion and the resurection most certainly happened, otherwise none of us are going to heaven!

Think - was Jesus real? Was Moses? Did Jesus resurect from the dead? Yes, yes, and yes! There are more than 500 witnesses who saw Jesus after his death. 500!

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Another point that my dad just pointed out - if you don't believe in the first 3 chapters of Genesis, then you have no need for a saviour. If Adam and Eve weren't the first people to sin, and if sin has always been, then there is no reason to believe in God!

Just so you know MiddleWoods, I have absolutely no desire to make you angry, okay? I just don't like to take the time to make my "opening statement" sound really "poetic", ya know?

 

[lazy gardener]

The Bible is the most important history book ever written. It starts IN THE BEGINNING, GOD... and goes on from there, detailing the creation of the first man and woman, the fall into sin, the first murder, the flood, the calling of Abraham with the promise for him to be the father of the chosen people of God. The slavery of those chosen people in Egypt under Pharoah, Their release and being led by Moses to the promised land. The Bible is full of prophecy, including prophecies of the coming Messiah. Virgin birth, miracles, details about His life, crucifixion, resurrection. Every one of those prophecies were filled. It goes on to tell how the human story ends. I know. I've read the book. It even tells me what I have to look forward to. I know. I've read the book, and I believe the book. Many details of Jesus life, and the events surrounding that time in history are written about by secular writers of that time. He who has ears to hear, let him hear. He who has eyes to see, let him see.