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1 Corinthians 6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

6 Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? 4 So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren, 6 but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers?

7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

 

[lazy gardener]

I wonder if the angels we will judge are the fallen ones?

 

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Hebrews 13:2 NAS

Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Genesis 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;

Another reference to the Trinity here!

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Hebrews 13:2 NAS

Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it.

My parent (yes dopers they were) TRULY believe they entertained an angel once... hitchhiking. Hard to believe their story.. but who knows?

So do angels have free passage between heaven and earth?

@lazy gardener

The end of Job basically sounds like what you said... because He is God and us puny humans have NO right to ask why.

It's a lousy answer, that I truly dislike! Same as kids dislike when mum or dad says.. because I said so.

Psalm 31:14
14 But I trust in you, LORD; I say, “You are my God.”

This however is the sentiment I maintain! Because I have grown in relation WITH the Lord all these years. And because I have had kids, it helps to understand "because I say so" and to TRUST that my FATHER has it under control.

I still think HIS response to Job was pretty cold. I can tell you, Job was a better man than I! Yes the Bible makes me emotional and draws out emotional response. It's been a great tool of peace and comfort as well though!

Please note that when I start asking hard questions, my husband steps clear away for fear I might be struck down where I stand. But I FEAR NOT! For my Father knows I ask in sincerity and not out of rebellious intent. And another who is NOT is relation might not know what kind of response to expect and be afraid to approach a truly LOVING Father. Thereby ultimately creating a type of distance or lack of closeness. Especially if they've never had anyone to trust before.

When you state that God loves in a way no human can... and I do believe that. My closest example is actually a parent/child relationship. Wow, the things the kids can do and still have us love and accept them even though we rebuke their behavior. One way I know I can't fathom HIS thoughts as mentioned by you...

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Is because I can't even fathom all the beauty and intricacy of God's creation. What kind of creativity, process, and understanding it must have taken. The things of nature are sooo much more detailed and involved than science fiction can even make up. I am in aw and wonder all the time at creation! How much more the creator??

And I suspect as I mature some more, that I will grow in understanding.. and become closer in thought to my MENTOR Jesus. (I have already come so far compared to the curse I was born into) Seeing the relationships around us is a revelation of our relationship with God and how it grows and we grow in HIS likeness. Be careful who you hang around with as you WILL begin to take on their mannerisms dear friends!

Since we are talking about angels... and the Trinity, can you please scripture me some verses that might indicate when God created man in "OUR" likeness, that he wasn't referring to His and angels? Though we currently reside in physical bodies, were we not spirits that were placed into them?

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image...

Jerimiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Please be clear, I don't agree with my husband 100% or understand everything he does, but I still choose to spend my life with him. Yes it MAY make me look like a really cruddy example of a Christian because I don't agree with EVERYTHING God does (yes I know it's irrelevant to Him)... But what it should make me look like to anyone who believes, is a Christian who is imperfect and has questions... a sinner, in need of a savior!

Incidentally, my kids didn't ask to be born either. Yet they still must endure what I chose, to bring them into this existence like it or not. What they do thereafter IS their choice. So even though I didn't ask for this life, and sometimes fail to appreciate it.. what I choose after, yes is my choice... But I wasn't abused past the point of no return as some have been, through NO fault of their own, EXCEPT what family God placed them into. Sorry, I don't mean to regress.

So basically, life isn't fair... get over it?

My cry is not for what others have that I don't. But God, so many have it SOOO much worse than I, and I hurt for them! I DON'T deserve the blessing I have! Ok, real tears here. See, God can't win even when He gives it all to us, we still complain!

 

[lazy gardener]

I am not an authority on angels or any other spiritual matters, aside from being able to tell you what I can find in the scriptures on any particular topic that God chooses to enlighten us on. But, I can guess that angels can come and mingle among us as DIRECTED by GOD. I can't off the top of my head think about any scriptural writings about angels that don't state that such and such angel was sent by the Lord to tell... or to do... such and such. In all of these instances, where the human involved bowed down to worship the angle, the human was instantly rebuked by the angel, and told not to bestow worship on the angel. However, there are instances where an angel DID accept worship. I am of the opinion that in those instances, the angel was actually Jesus.

Be it known that the fallen angels also mingle with us humans. They are called Demons. False religions, false gods that don't line up with our scriptures are demonic. There can only be one truth, and that truth is Jesus Christ, God, the Son, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, crucified, rose again the third day to redeem a fallen man kind to God. That redemption is freely available to all who will confess Him as Lord, confess their sin, and accept Him as Lord of their lives.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

So, to share ONE of my wonders about creation and how it all works together.. And because this is a chicken forum and I keep chickens in captivity...

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

I see this repeated in ALL aspect of animal life and I wonder is this part of the design to stop severe inbreeding?

The mama hen pecked away ALL of her chicks when they got of a certain age. The rooster even tolerates the male chicks until a certain age. When there is enough going on, the newly mature males in my flock will go after already mature females instead of their (sister) flock mates. But given their only option they will go after them.

Horses, wolves, bears.. they all eventually go their own way. Usually starting with the young testing their boundaries before it come to a head and the elder puts their foot down. Yes, I know I'm over simplifying it.

Anyways, life's secrets perplex me.

 

[willzpapa]

Wow. Let's take those questions one at a time. Yes, you ask the hard questions.

So, why then if God is all powerful.. did HE require a sacrifice in the very beginning? It was not MY choice to sacrifice Jesus.

God is all powerful, all knowing, and ultimately loving. He loves us as no human is capable of loving. But, we humans sometimes forget that God also demands justice. Heaven is a perfect place, a sinless place, a place without wrong. If God allowed sin to enter His perfection, it would no longer be perfect. Sin demands a payment. If you had a brand new car, and I walked up to it, and keyed it, would you accept that? Would you then invite me to dinner? No, I imagine not. You would be calling the police and having me arrested. You would want me to be punished. You would insist that I payed the damages. What if I accidentally damaged your new car? Perhaps I creased the side of it when I was backing out of a parking lot? What if I told you I really didn't mean to do it? And that it was an accident. Would you invite me to dinner? No, I imagine not. You would insist that I find a way to pay the damages. What if I told you that I had no insurance? No job? Would you then invite me to dinner? No, I imagine not. What if my Father came along, and saw the damage, and whipped out his check book and wrote a check to pay the damages? What then? Would you forgive my debt to you? That's what Jesus did. Sin demands a sacrifice, because God is not only loving, but he is just. I can't pay the debt of my sin. You can't pay the debt of your sin. No, you did not choose to sacrifice Jesus. But, Jesus sacrifice is THE ONLY WAY, and the ONE AND ONLY WAY. There is NO OTHER WAY to cover our sin. IF there were an other way, then Jesus did not have to come, He did not have to live a perfect, sinless life, and muck around on earth among us sinful, dirty humans. He did not have to go to the cross, and die the most painful horrid type of death that human kind was capable of thinking up to inflict on Him. But, He did so, willingly, because it was the only way to redeem you and me, and every other human who ever did, or ever will accept his sacrifice to bring us into fellowship with the loving and just God of the universe. If there was an other way, then Jesus death was in vain.

Good answer !!!!

 

[willzpapa]

. I am of the opinion that in those instances, the angel was actually Jesus

Read Ron Rhodes " Christ before the manger" the preincarnate life of Jesus . You are right in your opinion

 

[willzpapa]

My parent (yes dopers they were) TRULY believe they entertained an angel once... hitchhiking. Hard to believe their story.. but who knows?

So do angels have free passage between heaven and earth?

@lazy gardener

The end of Job basically sounds like what you said... because He is God and us puny humans have NO right to ask why.

It's a lousy answer, that I truly dislike! Same as kids dislike when mum or dad says.. because I said so.


This however is the sentiment I maintain! Because I have grown in relation WITH the Lord all these years. And because I have had kids, it helps to understand "because I say so" and to TRUST that my FATHER has it under control.

I still think HIS response to Job was pretty cold. I can tell you, Job was a better man than I! Yes the Bible makes me emotional and draws out emotional response. It's been a great tool of peace and comfort as well though!

Please note that when I start asking hard questions, my husband steps clear away for fear I might be struck down where I stand. But I FEAR NOT! For my Father knows I ask in sincerity and not out of rebellious intent. And another who is NOT is relation might not know what kind of response to expect and be afraid to approach a truly LOVING Father. Thereby ultimately creating a type of distance or lack of closeness. Especially if they've never had anyone to trust before.

When you state that God loves in a way no human can... and I do believe that. My closest example is actually a parent/child relationship. Wow, the things the kids can do and still have us love and accept them even though we rebuke their behavior. One way I know I can't fathom HIS thoughts as mentioned by you...

Is because I can't even fathom all the beauty and intricacy of God's creation. What kind of creativity, process, and understanding it must have taken. The things of nature are sooo much more detailed and involved than science fiction can even make up. I am in aw and wonder all the time at creation! How much more the creator??

And I suspect as I mature some more, that I will grow in understanding.. and become closer in thought to my MENTOR Jesus. (I have already come so far compared to the curse I was born into) Seeing the relationships around us is a revelation of our relationship with God and how it grows and we grow in HIS likeness. Be careful who you hang around with as you WILL begin to take on their mannerisms dear friends!

Since we are talking about angels... and the Trinity, can you please scripture me some verses that might indicate when God created man in "OUR" likeness, that he wasn't referring to His and angels? Though we currently reside in physical bodies, were we not spirits that were placed into them?

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image...

Jerimiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Please be clear, I don't agree with my husband 100% or understand everything he does, but I still choose to spend my life with him. Yes it MAY make me look like a really cruddy example of a Christian because I don't agree with EVERYTHING God does (yes I know it's irrelevant to Him)... But what it should make me look like to anyone who believes, is a Christian who is imperfect and has questions... a sinner, in need of a savior!

Incidentally, my kids didn't ask to be born either. Yet they still must endure what I chose, to bring them into this existence like it or not. What they do thereafter IS their choice. So even though I didn't ask for this life, and sometimes fail to appreciate it.. what I choose after, yes is my choice... But I wasn't abused past the point of no return as some have been, through NO fault of their own, EXCEPT what family God placed them into. Sorry, I don't mean to regress.

So basically, life isn't fair... get over it?

My cry is not for what others have that I don't. But God, so many have it SOOO much worse than I, and I hurt for them! I DON'T deserve the blessing I have! Ok, real tears here. See, God can't win even when He gives it all to us, we still complain!

You have a better grasp of the scriptures than you give yourself credit for . It is truly a Father/child relationship. God does not mind the hard questions He has the answers. And He has big shoulders , lean on Him .

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding