Pregnant goat???

[Julianna123]

Thanks all for the advice so just a quick question: today my pregnant doe showed a drop or two of blood on her vulva.... Her ligaments seem softer and seem to be disappearing... I read on the Internet that blood means an abortion so now I'm FREAKING OUT. Please help!!! I put her in her kidding stalk, and this is my first pregnant goat so idk :,(

 

[Stacykins]

Thanks all for the advice so just a quick question: today my pregnant doe showed a drop or two of blood on her vulva.... Her ligaments seem softer and seem to be disappearing... I read on the Internet that blood means an abortion so now I'm FREAKING OUT. Please help!!! I put her in her kidding stalk, and this is my first pregnant goat so idk :,(

With a drop or two, it probably isn't something to worry about. What is her behavior like?

ok so I accidentally used the wrong word. Oopsie!!! I wormed both of my does a day after kidding. But my vet said its actually better to do it prior so that it has a chance to take full effect. So you disagree. No biggie. As I told her,everybody does things a little differently. She just acquired this goat. It might not have ever had any prior worming. Don't you think it's better to be safe as to not "stress" her depleted body out anymore? And to protect her young? I respect your opinion,however,I disagree.

By doing one month beforehand, and not doing a proper course of wormer (repeat first dosage in ten days, then again in ten days, and then again in 30 days, a total of four doses) you are breeding parasite resistance in your herd. You only kill off adult parasites, since wormers do not kill eggs or immature ones, and then in her most stressed state (the actual kidding a month later) those parasites bloom. So your logic is good, just a tad flawed. If you want a lot of great veterinary information, head onto facebook to the Goat Vet Corner. Only actual veterinarians are allowed to assist people, and there are excellent documents regarding goat healthcare and management.

Hopefully you have been weighing your goats before giving them any wormer medication as well. Underdosing a wormer is the fastest way to make a parasite resistant.

 

[Gloryjasmine]

By doing one month beforehand, and not doing a proper course of wormer (repeat first dosage in ten days, then again in ten days, and then again in 30 days, a total of four doses) you are breeding parasite resistance in your herd.  You only kill off adult parasites, since wormers do not kill eggs or immature ones, and then in her most stressed state (the actual kidding a month later) those parasites bloom. So your logic is good, just a tad flawed. If you want a lot of great veterinary information, head onto facebook to the Goat Vet Corner. Only actual veterinarians are allowed to assist people, and there are excellent documents regarding goat healthcare and management.

Hopefully you have been weighing your goats before giving them any wormer medication as well. Underdosing a wormer is the fastest way to make a parasite resistant.

I do do proper courses.

. I have had my goats for years and I know their history. She just got hers and I'm not too sure what she knows. I'm just trying to help her help her mama. So,what would you recommend to her as far as the wormer,CDT,etc? I'm not on FB! Can I go anywhere else? Perhaps she can as well. Yes absolutely! I do weigh to ensure proper dosing.

Also,in your opinion,do you think the wormer pellets are as effective as the injectable?

 

[Stacykins]

I do do proper courses.

. I have had my goats for years and I know their history. She just got hers and I'm not too sure what she knows. I'm just trying to help her help her mama. So,what would you recommend to her as far as the wormer,CDT,etc? I'm not on FB! Can I go anywhere else? Perhaps she can as well. Yes absolutely! I do weigh to ensure proper dosing.

Also,in your opinion,do you think the wormer pellets are as effective as the injectable?

Glad to hear you weigh and do the full course. So many people out there guess on doses, leading to an overdose or an underdose. And they just give a single one, yikes!

Everything I've researched is that the pellets do not do a good job. They aren't very palatable as well, despite the bag's claim that they are, hah!

An injectable wormer or an oral one (must be marked for the oral route, not giving pour on orally, not a good idea) would be best, as pour on seem to not work well on a goat (unless it is to fight external parasites specifically). If a pregnant goat is to be wormed, it has to be a wormer that is safe for a pregnant doe. Safeguard definitely, but there is quite a bit of parasite resistance to it out there. Valbazen is great for a non pregnant goat, but can cause abortions. Ivermectin or ivermectin plus is a good go-to that is safe for pregnant animals. Levamisole is a great one, but has a very narrow margin of safety, meaning an overdose is easy so a weight and dosage must be precise, but it is safe in pregnant animals. Fecals should be done before a worming and after a worming, to make sure it is effective. If not, something else needs to be done.

Most vets recommend using a single wormer, and sticking with it until it is no longer effective. It might seem sensible to use one wormer one time, then another the next. Alas, it just helps lead to parasites that can resist both wormers quite well, in the long run.

 

[Gloryjasmine]

Glad to hear you weigh and do the full course. So many people out there guess on doses, leading to an overdose or an underdose. And they just give a single one, yikes!

Everything I've researched is that the pellets do not do a good job. They aren't very palatable as well, despite the bag's claim that they are, hah!

An injectable wormer or an oral one (must be marked for the oral route, not giving pour on orally, not a good idea) would be best, as pour on seem to not work well on a goat (unless it is to fight external parasites specifically). If a pregnant goat is to be wormed, it has to be a wormer that is safe for a pregnant doe. Safeguard definitely, but there is quite a bit of parasite resistance to it out there. Valbazen is great for a non pregnant goat, but can cause abortions. Ivermectin or ivermectin plus is a good go-to that is safe for pregnant animals. Levamisole is a great one, but has a very narrow margin of safety, meaning an overdose is easy so a weight and dosage must be precise, but it is safe in pregnant animals. Fecals should be done before a worming and after a worming, to make sure it is effective. If not, something else needs to be done. 

Most vets recommend using a single wormer, and sticking with it until it is no longer effective. It might seem sensible to use one wormer one time, then another the next. Alas, it just helps lead to parasites that can resist both wormers quite well, in the long run.

yup! I wouldn't want to eat that mess! Why should they? Lol. So yes the Ivomec(Ivermectin) cow head injectable is what I use. I have success,as no bugs!!! Poop is clean as well as eyelids! I remember when I was new to the goat world....it's kinda scary you know?!

 

[Julianna123]

Thank you all! I'm really learning a lot and inquiring on the few blood drops, her personality has been different.... She's laying and getting up and stretching her hind legs and scraping the ground... I think maybe contracting !

 

[Gloryjasmine]

That sounds like a "near kidding" goat to me!!! She's doing what's referred to as "pawing". Ooohhhhh I'm so excited for you sweet

! Can't wait to see the kids.

 

[Gloryjasmine]

Stacykins: what kind of chicken is your avatar photo? I really want some silkies!!!!!

 

[Stacykins]

Thank you all! I'm really learning a lot and inquiring on the few blood drops, her personality has been different.... She's laying and getting up and stretching her hind legs and scraping the ground... I think maybe contracting !

Fluid that is amber and clear definitely means it is go time. That is amniotic fluid. And it smells different. If you accidentally get any on you, a doe will readily lick it off. Mucous is not reliable, sadly. The mucous plug can be lost as early as a few weeks before kidding, or as late as when the first kid is finally coming out.

Possibly early labor, time will tell! Does do adhere strongly to the doe code of honor. They'll make you are frazzled and sleep deprived as possible before she'll get down to business.

Stacykins: what kind of chicken is your avatar photo? I really want some silkies!!!!!

She is a purebred Araucana that is double tufted. I no longer have her, though. I still have Araucanas, she was sold last year.

 

[Julianna123]

That sounds like a "near kidding" goat to me!!! She's doing what's referred to as "pawing". Ooohhhhh I'm so excited for you sweet

! Can't wait to see the kids.

Thanks! Hope I see some kids soon too

so exciting !!!!!



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Yep! She's been keeping me up a lot! Her vulva is very loose and flabby... Is this a sign?