Pressure treated wood

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henny is there guidelines as to what is ok to be officially organic? What about paint? what about galvanized wire and nails?

My advice use pressure treated lumber, the chickens will not get enough of it From "leaching" to hurt them or you. If you grind it up and feed it to them it probably will make them sick, if you barbecue with it it will make you sick If you want to rebuild your coop in 2-3 years use non PT lumber.

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Micronized Copper Wood Preservative

You may have seen advertisements recently for a new kind of preservative-treated wood. Brand names include Yellawood MCQ, MicroPro and SmartSense. While the names are new and the properties of the wood are a little different, the preservatives used in these products are simply modified versions of existing formulations.

‘Treated wood” refers to the green-colored lumber that is widely available at hardware stores and building centers. In Tennessee , this wood is usually southern pine that has been impregnated at a factory with a copper-based wood preservative. The green color is from the copper. In the past, the copper was combined with chromium and arsenic. This “CCA” formulation was the standard for many years. About four years ago, CCA was withdrawn from residential use and replaced with alkaline copper quaternary (ACQ) and copper azole (CA). These preservatives are also copper-based but include organic co-biocides instead of chromium and arsenic. All of these formulations leave the wood green in color (unless a dye is added), clean to the touch, paintable, and protected from insect attack and rot. ACQ and CA are very corrosive to metal, however, so it is important to use only ceramic coated, stainless steel, or other approved screws and nails with treated wood.

The ‘new' products are variations on ACQ. Instead of using dissolved copper in the preservative, small particles of copper (called ‘micronized copper') are injected into the wood. Wood treated with micronized copper is less corrosive to metal fasteners and is lighter in color. It is still important to use approved fasteners with micronized-ACQ treated wood but aluminum can be used in contact with the treated wood. The lighter color can be an advantage too: The wood can have a more natural look, and lighter-colored paints and stains can be used.
 
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Oh crickey! I just bought pressure treated posts for the run. When you say to seal the wood, what is the product you are talking about?
The cement was supposed to come up to level w/ the ground, but it didn't, so I'm going to have to go buy more!
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Sealant??
 
The very knowledgeable man at ACE hardware said that the sealant would be toxic too. lol Guess I'll just go with trying to get the cement up to ground level.....
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My sister is going to have a cow.
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Her job includes toxic awareness education.
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The very knowledgeable guy at the hardware store is wrong, studies have shown that sealing p/t wood with paint or polyurethane reduces leaching of heavy metals by like 90% or something like that.

The ACQ p/t wood they sell nowadays (as opposed to the greenish CCA-treated stuff sold til a few yrs ago) has less nasty stuff in it to leach out anyhow.

Those of you worrying about 'organic', the dictum of Can't Use P/T Wood To Be Organic refers only to CERTIFICATION. If you are merely trying to be organic for your own purposes, rather than to be certified organic to label stuff for sale, you can do whatever your judgement and conscience dictate. IMO modern p/t wood kept in good condition is a negligable risk in normal chicken-run circumstances, but everyone should read up on it and make up their own mind.

It is DEFNINTELY not something anyone should be lying awake nights about, or having cows about
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The alternatives are redwood, cedar, or (if you can get it) black locust. Or metal posts, but they're not as structurally-strong for run purposes.

Pat
 
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I wouldn't say he's wrong. Paint and polyurethane can be toxic. It may not leach, but if eaten by the chicken......

I'm not meaning to make anyone paranoid, I just wanted to do what is right by me.
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And I should have gone w/ Redwood. Money dictates (when hubby is looking over your shoulder). I also painted the interior of the coop, and then thought, well, next time that won't happen. I guess we learn as we go.
 
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I wouldn't say he's wrong. Paint and polyurethane can be toxic. It may not leach, but if eaten by the chicken......

Chickens don't eat paint, though (assuming you haven't let it get all peely and disintegrated).

Plus modern paints are not particularly toxic if eaten.

Pat
 
My chickens peck at everything and anything.

I appreciate the info. though, I ended up painting the 4x4 where it will contact soil, as I could not add more cement (as the wire was already installed).
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We do what we gotta do, eh?
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Not sure he was asking about the organicness of the lumber. If that's a word.
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Anywho, you will be fine. Just don't cut the lumber in the run. They may pick up the saw dust and possibly have a problem. The main thing to remember when using pressure treated lumber is that the hardware used needs to be galvanized. The CCA treated lumber of old was corroding the screws. There were several homes in the las ten years that had their decks collapse due to this. The newer treated stuff is not supposed to do that but why take the risk.

My last job we had to use stainless steel hardware for legal reasons. Expensive stuff there but galvanized dipped is best.

jeremy
 

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