Processing Day Support Group ~ HELP us through the Emotions PLEASE!

I've never had trouble plucking a chicken that was decapitated. I've done decapitation and watched bleed out, and the death throws are very similar - except in the bleed out, they are contained in the cone, so you don't have to feel it. With the broomstick method, the death throws were much more mild - not sure why.

On the decapitation, meaties are a lot more violent in their death throws. I don't know if it's because they are larger, or what. I do know they are very hard to hold because of their size. They had a lot more blood (thicker too) in them than a dual purpose breed. Even my husband mentioned their blood was a lot thicker. Made a heck of a mess.
 
Watched the video 4 times then deboned my first rabbit. It took much longer for me then him, and mine wasn't as pretty. I left a little more meat on the bones (but that just means better soup right!). I need much more room than he used, and I think it is near super human how he holds on the slippery meat and bones while holding a sharp knife.
 
I know you don't feel it now, but you should be very, very proud of yourself. It is a HUGE thing you did. You gave him a good life and as good a death as you could. Although you suffered a lot of angst for weeks over this decision, your chicken did not. He went about his happy life being a chicken. He had a good life and one bad day. Hopefully that bad day lasted all of a second or two or ten. You and your husband should be proud of yourselves. The blue is the gizzard (ventriculus). It is where the food is ground up. You'll find stones in it (to grind the food) if you cut it open. It is a good idea to look over the internal organs because you'll get a read on the health of the bird, which translates to the health of your flock, but I do understand you not wanting to. If you ever process a Silkie, you'll be really surprised by the jet black of some of the organs, bones and muscles. I, too, hope your bird didn't suffer. :hugs He might have had an instant of fear, but I suspect he didn't suffer pain. His fear level might not have been any higher than if you suddenly grabbed him up, so don't beat yourself up over it. Figure out what you did that you want to change and then put a plan in action to fix it. I think being calm and not doing anything until both you and the bird are ready is not emphasized enough. There is no rush. I work really hard to calm myself. Killing is very distressing for me. If I'm not calm, I step back and regroup mentally. If the bird is not calm, I step back and wait until BOTH of us are calm. The other point that can't be over emphasized is that you need more force than you think you will need whether using the bleed out method or the chop. This is the time when you can't be timid. With the chop method, you have to be careful not to use too much force because the more force you use, the less accuracy you'll have. The stronger you are, the more force you can use and still be accurate. It's a balance between accuracy and force--and you'll need more force than you think you need since the feathers act like armor and padding. I know that I can't use the chop method because I've just had wrist surgery and neck surgery. In the "how-to" videos, I don't see it mentioned how important a lot of practice is. You can use something like a small green branch to practice your aim and force. The feathers act like armor, so chopping a branch isn't quite the same as chopping off the head of a cockerel with all his glorious hackle feathers. Also, if you were to practice on chicken necks from a store, remember they are 8-week old birds with very soft bones so it isn't anything like the bone strength of an older free-ranging bird. You also want to be sure your chop is to the back of the neck. Below is a diagram of a vertebrae. If this were a vertebrae of a chicken neck, the chicken would be lying on its back. The windpipe and esophagus would run along the body of the vertebrae (at the top of the diagram) and the spinal cord would run through the hole called the vertebral foreman at the bottom of the picture. So, you can see, that the spine is least protected at the back of the neck.
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I've thought long and hard about how to kill as quickly, kindly as possible. The hatchet method in some respects seems to be the most humane however, the body responds extremely violently to having its head lopped off. I believe that they are harder to pluck, too. Some species of animals, birds especially, all struggle at the time of death. I was shocked when a favorite hen struggled when I euthanized her by injection at the vet's. The bird was unconscious and had been for some time but still put up a fight at death. (When euthanizing the hen, the vet--an avian vet--injected the drugs into her abdomen. They were absorbed more slowly than in he had given her the drugs IV, hence the hen was unconscious for some time before death.) I've always wondered if the more violent death throes of a decapitated chicken was related to the amount of blood in the body--hence more oxygen--at time of death when compared to a bled-out chicken. It would be interesting to see research in the stress hormones in chickens post slaughter from a variety of methods, but I don't think that research has been done although the research has been done in cattle and pigs. I know that you can test blood post-slaughter and gauge the amount of stress a cow or pig went through by testing for certain stress hormones levels and probably other markers as well. Some slaughter facilities use those blood measurements to monitor how well they are doing their job. (An animal stressed before slaughter will have poor quality meat. Have you ever noticed that sometimes, especially with pork, the meat will be mushy and tasteless? That's called Pale, Soft. Exudative meat, and is related to stress before slaughter.) I believe I read that tests on chickens using decapitation had higher readings of some stress hormones, maybe adrenaline. I wonder if that is related to them seeing an axe about to hit them. I wonder if their eyes were covered so they didn't see it coming, if their death throes might be less violent. I know if I were going to use the chop method I would make sure they couldn't see anything. I know that heart rates and stress levels in captured wild falcons are much lower when they are hooded, so why not with a chicken? They must have an instant of fear as they see the ax about to hit them in the head. Killing is never easy, and I'm not sure I would like myself very much if it WAS easy for me to do. Be proud of yourself. Your chicken's life and death was so much better than any commercial chicken's. For your chicken, it was just a few bad seconds in an otherwise wonderful life.
Thank you for everything. You've made me feel much better about everything and understand more about things. I'm really hoping to do this better next time we do this which is looking like it will be sometime in early spring. We have 10, almost 5 week old babies running around and it's starting to look like quite a few are boys. I'm truely happy that we are going to be able to support our family with food that we've grown and raised. It's just getting past that emotion. Our entire family thinks we're crazy as it is. Even my mom said that if we were going to eat them, we should take them somewhere to have it done, not do it ourselves which defeats the purpose of everything we're trying to accomplish in our eyes. But my family is very much seperated from their food and addicted to convenience so it's hard for them to understand. I'm glad I can come on here and find like minded people to help us through.
 
Thank you for everything. You've made me feel much better about everything and understand more about things. I'm really hoping to do this better next time we do this which is looking like it will be sometime in early spring. We have 10, almost 5 week old babies running around and it's starting to look like quite a few are boys. I'm truely happy that we are going to be able to support our family with food that we've grown and raised. It's just getting past that emotion. Our entire family thinks we're crazy as it is. Even my mom said that if we were going to eat them, we should take them somewhere to have it done, not do it ourselves which defeats the purpose of everything we're trying to accomplish in our eyes. But my family is very much seperated from their food and addicted to convenience so it's hard for them to understand. I'm glad I can come on here and find like minded people to help us through.

I'm happy I was some help. This group helped me a lot and did a lot of hand holding for months before i got enough courage to slaughter anything, so I really do understand where you are coming from. I don't think you want to send your birds off to be processed unless you know who is doing it. Although you'll agonize over the slaughter, you will do the absolute best job you can to make it as stress and pain free for the bird as you can. Others might not be as careful or even care. Shipping, even in your own car, is stressful.
 
Thank you for everything. You've made me feel much better about everything and understand more about things. I'm really hoping to do this better next time we do this which is looking like it will be sometime in early spring. We have 10, almost 5 week old babies running around and it's starting to look like quite a few are boys. I'm truely happy that we are going to be able to support our family with food that we've grown and raised. It's just getting past that emotion. Our entire family thinks we're crazy as it is. Even my mom said that if we were going to eat them, we should take them somewhere to have it done, not do it ourselves which defeats the purpose of everything we're trying to accomplish in our eyes. But my family is very much seperated from their food and addicted to convenience so it's hard for them to understand. I'm glad I can come on here and find like minded people to help us through.

Most people have gotten much too complacent about buying their food perfectly packaged and forgetting that it had a life. YOu are teaching yourself a life-skill and should be commended for that!
It might be easier to turn your first bird into a nice soup. Changing the shape of the chicken, might make eating it a bit easier. If I were you I would invite my Mother over for a nice Chicken and Homemade Noodle (I was shocked at how easy egg noodles are to make) soup! Don't mention the home grown fact until after dinner!!!!


BTW if that bright blue (green) organ was smallish and connected to the liver it was the gall bladder (the gizzard is hard and large) You DO NOT want to break the gall. If it does get broken and makes contact with the meat, the meat is ruined.
 
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Most people have gotten much too complacent about buying their food perfectly packaged and forgetting that it had a life.  YOu are teaching yourself a life-skill and should be commended for that!
It might be easier to turn your first bird into a nice soup.  Changing the shape of the chicken, might make eating it a bit easier.  If I were you I would invite my Mother over for a nice Chicken and Homemade Noodle (I was shocked at how easy egg noodles are to make) soup!  Don't mention the home grown fact until after dinner!!!!

BTW if that bright blue (green) organ was smallish and connected to the liver it was the gall bladder (the gizzard is hard and large)  You DO NOT want to break the gall.  If it does get broken and makes contact with the meat, the meat is ruined.

I was thinking about making a good soup out of him. Especially since it's getting cold out. Plus I LOVE homemade noodles and bread. I haven't bought bread or noodles in a LONG time lol. That may work since I always give mom some soup when I make it. She'd never know but she might get upset or even sick once I tell her. She's very detached from her food. I think what I was thinking about may have been the gizzard.i will remember about the gallbladder though. Good advice to know!
 

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