Prospect thread for a possible resale horse -done

[Hound]

If you want to sell any horse in this market it has to be more than 'vaguely decent'. Prices are so low it is quite possible to pick up a horse that may have sold for $5000 a few years ago for less than $2000 now. It is a buyer's market, as you should well know.

Maybe i'm cantankerous, but if you want to sell me a horse (particularly in this market) then you better take good pictures of it. If you can't take the time to, I can't take the time to look at your horse. I'm not going to waste my time driving to see an unknown.

Looking at the (awful) pictures, and going by those alone which is pretty much a crapshoot, i'd look more at the seal brown and the leopard Appaloosa. I'm by no means an Appaloosa fan, but the outside of him is better than the others. Something that puts me off is how one person can own so many ugly horses and presumably bred them.

I'm with Pat though, I don't think there's anything to be made from any of them, look for something ridable to tune up. Again, i'm probably boring but I wouldn't buy a young green horse for a kid, something more mature is safer and can teach them plenty.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Pat you're right on the legs. The seller just has two ugly chestnut horses with three white socks.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

IDK, I still like 3. Even if he's not in your consideration, would you please post updated photos when you get them? Just so I can see what he's developing into?

 

[EweSheep]

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He does look stallion-ese to me too! He does not look young. Is proud cut? if he was gelded.

 

[pbjmaker]

Please define posty/hammer head for me. I am learning so much from these discussions.

I like the color of number 6 - what is it called?

 

[The Wolf Queen]

ID go for #5 now. He also has high withers but he also looks like he has the most potential.

 

[WIChookchick]

The #5 horse is a Golden Dun, in most worlds a buckskin, but they changed the lingo because, duns have stripe down their back, and buckskins don't.

Keep the good info coming.. I am waiting for updated pics, and will post them as I get them!!

Thanks TONS!!! You guys/gals ROCK!!

Carol

Wolf Queen- your avatar, is it by Golden Wolf or Dark Natasha???
If you don't know.. I can help you find out. I Love their work@!!!!

 

[patandchickens]

If this woman really wanted to sell these horses she would get off her lazy butt and take some decent pictures, at least with the photographer square to the horse's body and the horse vaguely square and balanced. It does not take a second person necessarily, just some time and effort. Sheesh.

I don't necessarily see lotsa testosterone in the leopard app (#5) - I could be wrong, maybe he *is* overcresty and beefy, but to my eye it is more an illusion created by the position and the long dangly mane? I would not draw conclusions without other photos. I dislike the hind end at least as much as I dislike the hind end on several of the previous horses but I still say conformation is not really a big issue here so really who cares. He is a moderately desirable color and has a skinny non-ugly neck and reasonable hairdo. Can't tell much about his face as it is stuffed into that bucket. I do not get a vibe of "calm biddable horse" from him (and I think you really NEED calm biddable for a resale project). But, photos are not good for showing temperament.

If he's so darn worthwhile, and coming 3, why hasn't he been started and be well out of your price range? I'd be suspicious. I know, I know, some people just don't get around to these things because of various circumstances. Still, often if they're unstarted at that age (when they're of a breed that is quite often backed at 2) it does seem a LOT of the time to turn out that they are temperamentally-difficult or actually *were* started but they couldn't get talk the guy into getting back on after he was bucked off the sixth time.

I would not drive 2 hrs to see this horse in particular. The price would have to be real low, and my car get real good gas mileage, to drive 2 hrs to see the whole *lot* of them. But, <shrug>

Pat

 

[patandchickens]

Oh, I missed the two new pics added to the first post.

6- a probable YEARLING- I could let this one sit for a year, and just let him grow...NOT great pics (love the "Craptastic" word for these pics) Has papers.

Whoa there. That is exactly the best possible recipe for how to run a very very large chance of losing money on a horse. DO NOT buy things with the attitude that you can just let them sit for a year and grow and then you will make a profit. Some people, who are great wizards at seeing how babies will grow up, can do this successfully WITH LARGE NUMBERS OF HORSES, but even good pinhookers (be it of racehorses, hunter ponies, whatever) have a fairly significant "fail rate". Horses that for whatever reason LOSE them money. Most commonly this is because the horse incurs some accident, incident, disease or other depreciating event, that either torpedoes its value (e.g. permanent disfiguration or lameness) or requires it to be nursed for some weeks/months/etc at extra expense and delaying its resale. If you are selling a LOT of horses then losing money on some is okay as long as your profit on the others is sufficient, particularly if you are the type of person who is comfortable with bailing abruptly on a horse if it is clearly no longer a prospective profitmaker (i.e. send to auction, give away, shoot, etc). But doing this with dozens or hundreds of horses per year is totally different than doing it with ONE.

It is a really, really bad idea to do this on a single horse as a profit-making venture (or even a breaking-even venture). The ONLY time in my opinion that it makes sense to do it with a single horse is if you have the advice of someone very, very, very good at picking babies of the precise breed and type you are involved in, AND if you are doing it as a lottery-ticket proposition. (Such as, "well I cannot afford an international-potential dressage horse as a four year old only as a weanling so I am going to gamble and get the best advice I can and buy one and hope it works out, and if it doesn't well then it was still an interesting albeit expensive adventure")

Really really really. I can't tell you how much of this I have seen over the years. Having it come out right *sometimes* does not make it a good bet.

That said, as to the horses themselves:

#6 does not impress me about how he's put together. I know I said conformation doesn't much matter but you would want to draw the line *somewhere*, and reeeaallly long pasterns and a possibly short neck and probably crooked very rotated-out forelegs may be getting towards that line. Although again I am not the kind of expert you'd want to turn to for evaluating babies in terms of what they'll grow up as. Whether his color compensates for that depends on whteher in your neck of the woods his color would be considered cool or ugly. Some places are one way, some the other.

#7 I can't say anything intelligent about, from that useless photo they've given you, other than he is evidently a horse and has the required 4 legs and a head in all the right general places, and is what's usually considered a fairly boring color by horse buyers. (But the right temperament could easily make up for that). I have no idea what his actual size is and what size you feel he'd NEED to be for your sales purposes. I have known a couple of very stunted QHs that finished pony sized but *nice*, so I would not discount him for that alone, although height or soundness or conformation (none of which can be told from photo) resulting from "stunting" might indeed be a problem, who knows.

I would probably drive ten minutes to see those last two if I were bored. Well actually I wouldn't b/c I think this whole project is seriously unwise

. If you just want a PROJECT, get a FREE project by working someone else's horse for them. In today's economy there is just no reason for you to end up out of pocket just to have a horse to work with.

JMHO

Pat​

 

[WIChookchick]

I love you guys!!
I agree, I just happen to like the golden dun.

3, why hasn't he been started and be well out of your price range?

THIS is NOT the horse that was offered in the beginning that was 3, that horse was priced at about 500 dollars. And again, not started and (insert reason here).
A completely different seller/breeder.
I have NO idea why the people offering me these horses, can't for the life of them take a decent picture.
I think the breeder of the Appy's and the fugly bald faced chestnut and the brown QH type.. is one of the ones that breeds LOTS o purdy color'd horses and
hopes to get 1 or 2 gooder horses to sell. The rest sit and they hope some schmuck.. (Me) will want to buy one (have one thrown at them)
to sell.

Carol​