Prospect thread for a possible resale horse -done

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"is it a crime"

You are twisting and contorting what I said simply because you don't agree with me or are so gung ho to do this that you can't even BEAR anyone saying, 'the way you want to do this is NOT matching your stated goals'. And that is pretty dang gung ho, gung ho enough to be extremely rude and misrepresent what I've said, and I don't appreciate it. And everyone who doesn't have the endurance to slog through my posts will believe YOU, that I said it is a 'crime to help someone who made a mistake'.

Look, if you want to get all 'rah rah rah!' responses, you need to do it in front of people that don't know how craptastic this market is or how hard it is to sell ANYTHING with four legs on it now or just go 'awwwww' anytime they see a picture of a horse. And please...take a moment to notice, that not ONE of those 'rahrah' people offered to pay your expenses, OR buy that lowrider colt off you after a couple months. People go 'Rah rah rah' all the time when they ain't payin' the bills or taking the risks.

But you have a project in mind, with a goal - resale. In fact, a very QUICK resale, as horse sales go.

What I am saying is that the WAY you want to do this is very, very ill advised. Your goals are not a good match to your methods.

I said NOTHING about 'helping someone who made a mistake' being a 'crime', and you bloody well KNOW I did not. And please don't try to make me sound like some ogre. I've got one of the few very rare, six thousand dollar five hundred dollar horse in existence, LOL, and I got him for nothing other than to get him out of where he was. And so have a lot people.

And you don't need ANYONE to go over pictures and advise on the desirability of an animal if that's your sole goal!!!

I said the way you're going about it you're very unlikely to succeed at your STATED GOAL. I said what you're trying to do is impossible.

You want to take something that is a mess(in the first case, a horse that was very likely COMPLETELY unsellable, because someone on this good earth told you you could tickle that colt's belly or slap side reins on him and get him to put his back up), and turn it around in a few months without even throwing a leg over it, and while you've admitted you're not looking to make a profit directly, you maybe might like to make a LITTLE profit, and you STILL are trying to spend very little on it, and move the horse very quickly.

IF you were going to buy a decent unbroke papered youngster with not-entirely-defective-conformation that did not look like it came from a place where the horses were never trimmed, wormed or given vaccinations, and it had a good look to it, like some day it might actually be sellable, a nice color, markings, popular family type breed, for say, 1500 or 2000 dollars, and spend six months wearing out your backside out riding it, training it really well, and turning it out to be a nicely started, cooperative little local show horse, and sell it for 3000 dollars, groomed up, trained up, fit, shod and up to date on its vaccinations, worming and teeth, then I'd say 'that sounds like a good idea'.

IF you were to take that little chestnut youngster right up there, which is a nice lookin' youngster, and is FREE, and comes from a place where they TAKE CARE OF THEIR HORSES, and take REAL good care of it for two years, and then break it out or pay to get it broke out, and then advertise it for 2000 or 3000 dollars, or keep it forever because it would be a lovely addition to your family and looks like it'd be about as honest as the day is long, I'd say, 'that sounds like a good idea'.

If you gave me ANY plan where I thought you had even a half a chance of meeting the goals you yourself stated, I'd say, 'that sounds like a good idea'.

If you were to say, 'I want to give a home to some poor horse that never had a chance', I'd clap my hands and hug you. But that isn't what you said this was about. This is about resale. This is different.

The trouble for me is NOT with 'helping people', and in fact, 'helping people' was never stated as a goal of yours til ya got mad at me. It was getting a horse for cheap, putting very little money into it, not riding it, and selling it in a short time, maybe even at a modest profit.

It's with do if your plans sound like they have a half a chance of meeting your goals.
 
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Hmmm time is the enemy...I know she'll grow nicely. I like the look of the mare and the stallion(from what I saw of him in pics) but in TB selling papers are as important, if not more so when a horse has "no page" it is death in the pavilion. And unfortunately for this filly, the page is what will keep her from getting her full worth.

The mare raced to 5 earning aprox $44,000. Of the second dam's offspring this is the only mare to race. 4 were unraced and 3 unnamed.

The sire is an unraced son of Unbridled's Song who is known for soundness issues in his lines. His first crop are three year olds this year and I've seen nothing so far from them.

It's a different game running them through a sale down here than just selling her as a show prospect or pleasure horse.

Now this filly, might have a better chance in the ring.....
She is two weeks younger, loads faster and has a better page. Her sire won $825,000 in graded stakes races. He has runners and winners now. And she has gears. She also should shed out to a grey. her undercoat is completely grey underneath so she's an attention grabber.
At 6 weeks old
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Right before weaning
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Sorry to have hijacked the thread.
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kBoth are pretty as they can be!

As for the unpapered, it does not matter to a 4Her as her first horse or someone who does not care if the horse comes papered. If they want to, they can "hardship" her and take it from there. I know there are alot of "unproven" stallions making show stopping horses but if performance is the top priority, then I can see the show list would be necessary to see how the offsprings would be expected to perform.

I think with those legs, she can be a hunter or jumper without any speed going out the window.

So if papers are needed, go and find out if you can do that without breaking the bank.
 
I am totally confused as to what the big controversy and offense-taking is, here.

EVERYbody, that I've noticed, including me (go back and read my original post or two on your Calais thread), thinks that it would be lovely if you wanted to take any of these horses in and give them a home. Or even take them in and see-what-happens.

The only thing anyone's arguing with is whether the horses being posted here are likely to turn you a PROFIT, which in a number of posts you've stated to be your goal.

Buying for personal enjoyment is TOTALLY different than buying for quick profitable resale, and the things that make a horse good for the one purpose are often quite different than the things that make a horse good for the other.

Have fun,

Pat
 
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That's why I figured to pop in here with the pics. I know she doesn't have to be registered to show and it doesn't matter a lick she probably couldn't run 6 furlongs faster than say a fat blind man to be a show horse. Nor does the stallion's lack of performance matter.

But I don't have show horses. I have thoroughbreds. And if they can't run and don't have any paper, then they are just lawn art at this point. Especially since to get her in a sale is a $500 fee plus 4-6% of sale price. Not to mention daily stall fees and such. If I had big money, I would send her through a consignor, but then if I had big money I wouldn't be worried about supporting her til september.

Point is, she's hardly Sea Biscuit and she certainly isn't Rachael Alexandra so I need to find her a home where she will be loved and used and well taken care of and not thrown in a bunch of cheap claimers and run til she's broke down.
 
I wish I had a place for her but we're full up til someone dies and that isn't going to happen for a long, long time. She may not be the fastest thing in the world but she looks like she'll grow up to be a solid little citizen.
 
They are both papered Ewe, one just isn't well bred (for racing )is what he's sayin, so she wont sell well at the Thoroughbred yearling sales.
 
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Why not try the local English market (if there is one, I forget which part of the country you're in). Sure you might not get much for her (just because of the market, I think she's a nice filly and slow isn't always bad), but you might not take a loss like you would consigning her to a sale she's not particularly suited for, and most importantly you'd know where she was going. I don't know how the market is there, but here it wouldn't be out of line to ask $300-500, and we're in cowhorse country.
 
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