Puppy may be poisoned!!! HELP PLEASE!!!!

[BeardedChick]

http://www.ratzapper.com/

We have a well-used Classic.

 

[redhen]

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good idea!..the ones i have are throwaway...this is a better idea..thanks...

 

[Nikki28]

Hey cjeanean I sent a PM back explaining the vitamin K thing and that since the pup was still alive and acting fine that I didnt mean that she would die but needed to rest and shoving plants into a meat eater (although tech. not a complete carnivore) will stress the body out even more. I am glad she is doing well.

 

[mountaintopchicken]

Hi, I am posting again because I am very worried! I have looked up some info on rat poison or warfarin.

How to Tell if a Dog Has Eaten Rat Poison
Unfortunately, a large percentage of dogs who eat rat poison will die. This is due to the way in which the rat poison works from within, creating no outward symptoms (like bleeding) until the dog is in critical condition due to the toxin in the rat poison.

The prognosis for a dog who has eaten rat poison depends on the amount of rat poison that's been ingested, along with the amount of time that's elapsed since the bait was eaten.

Since the body has a supply of proteins that assist with the blood's clotting ability, the symptoms of warfarin (or another anticoagulant) poisoning may not become evident until 36-48 hours after the dog has ingested the toxin. This makes diagnosis even more difficult since the poisoning incident and the symptoms may not be immediately associated, and delayed diagnosis means a worse prognosis for the poisoned dog.

Rat Poison

Rat Poisoning
Warfarin, or broudifacoum-type rodenticides, cause bleeding problems three to five days after ingestion, although abnormal clotting of the blood can be detected earlier. If treatment is started before a bleeding problem develops, the risk of death and the cost of treatment are much lower. If rodenticide has been ingested, you may see bluish-green material in the vomit or stool. Clinical signs of toxicity may include weakness, depression, pale gums, bruising, black or bloody stool, bloody urine, nosebleed, difficulty breathing, coughing up blood, distended abdomen, or collapse depending on the site of the bleeding.

Should accidental exposure occur, immediately contact your local veterinarian or call the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center for assistance (888) 426-4435, and be sure to have the container or package information readily available so that a proper identification of the rodenticide's ingredients can be made for appropriate treatment.
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It seems that time is really of the essence when it comes to poisoning cases, because the poison is taking effect before you see symptoms. The info I read about vitamin K indicates that is is injected intramuscularly, which I think would require a vet. Many vets will take payment plans if money is a problem, your local humane society can be a resource, or at the very least I would consult the poison hotline numbers given.

 

[mountaintopchicken]

Also, if any of these might assist your family in getting the pup in to a vet or getting the pup some form of veterinary care:

AAHA Helping Pets Fund

IMOM
"Helping people help pets". To better the lives of sick, injured and abused companion animals. We are dedicated to insure that no companion animal has to be euthanized simply because their caretaker is financially challenged.

From the Humane Society - What You Can Do If You Are Having Trouble Affording Veterinary Care

Also, I noticed that your location was listed as Missouri. The Humane Society of Missouri has veterinary clinics that are open to the public - look here and here .

 

[chilling in muscadine]

For those that may not have Ipecac on hand in an emergency like we are discussing 3% hydrogen peroxide will also make a pet vomit up the poison. I have had to use this method when my dog got into my prescription drugs.

 

[chickygirl2]

Did they remove ipecac from the market a while back?

 

[mypicklebird]

The puppy could get sick anywhere between a few days to 2 weeks. D-Con and other vit-k antagonists basically block the liver from making anticoagulants (things that stop bleeding). If the puppy ate alot, it will bleed within a few days (like the rats someone was trying to poison), if it ate less- the puppy may not show symptoms for 1- 2 weeks.

Symptoms are usually vague- you don't usually see bleeding. They bleed into the lungs and abdomen. Being lethargic, cold, breathing fast, eating less- ect, not bleeding where you can see it.

There are many types of vermin poisons, the one that shuts down the kidneys is not readily available. The warfarin types like D-con are the common ones. Fluid therapy is not that useful for vit-k antagonists.

If the ingestion happened within 2 hours- vomiting is useful. If after, making them vomit is useless and stressful.

If the puppy is bleeding out internally or externally- an emergency visit with clotting times, charcoal, fluids and a blood transfusion could easily go over 500$.

If you go to your closest vet on Monday and tell them- my puppy ate rat bait this weekend, is acting fine- and I do not have money for clotting profiles and emergency hospitalization for charcoal therapy- they can STILL give the puppy a vit-k shot and send it home with oral vit-k. This may keep the puppy from dying in a week. Vit-k is relatively cheap, as is a non-emergency vet visit.

Don't waste your time with grinding up vegetables and force feeding your puppy. You need more vit-k than that, and you are just going to give him blow-out diarrhea to add to your and his woes.

Go see your closest vet, tell them your budget, and see what they can do for you. They can't do things for free, but they don't want the puppy to be sick either. And euthanizing it is not an appropriate option, unless the puppy is really crashing- so quit that thought.

 

[mypicklebird]

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this works some of the time, as can mustard I have heard- the problem with peroxide is that if the pet does not vomit, and not all of them do- the peroxide can add to making them sick.

 

[BeckyLa]

Uh, we need an update....how's the pup doing??