"Purebred" Sex Links

[Medicine Man]

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Notice the use of the word crossing. That's what you guys are doing. You may get sexlinks from this ? but the F1s are not sexlinks.

Oh by the way I'm done!

You're being your own worst enemy, fighting with nothing but your own failure to grasp the principles.

 

[averytds]

Ummm, while my sexlinks have been crosses vs staying within the same breed, the ability to sex at hatch was the exact reasoning behind the selection of the parents. I can then keep or sell the pullets for egglaying and we eat the boys. I want some olive egger hens, so that's the goal of our current crossing. Once I've seen what I feel is enough pullets hatch, I'll move on to something else.


So far I've stayed with the blacks and I can tell at the moment of hatch exactly what the sex is so no matter what the parent breeds are, the F1s are all black sexlinks. I'm well aware they don't breed true for future generations. Since I really like Brahmas, if I can cross certain varieties and sex at hatch, well that might just be my next hatching project. It's the primary way I renew my laying flock and supplement our meat needs.

 

[Farmergreen]

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if you are referring to Illia post on the Cuckoo Marans x Black Copper Marans
Males are Black and have a White spot on there head ans are solid Black with no White Spot.
That cross is a Black Sex-link...

Chris

That's right. This is a sex link I didn't know about. The argument I am adressing is some of these posts are confusing sex link with crossing.
I admitt I don't know all the crosses to get sex link. But if your crossing for differant color on the grown offspring that's not sex linking.

 

[Illia]

My point is that the beginning of creating Golden Cuckoo is often by creating sex links. Remember, as we all know, sex links are an F1 thing only. Golden Cuckoo is not. It takes a few generations.

 

[Chris09]

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if you are referring to Illia post on the Cuckoo Marans x Black Copper Marans
Males are Black and have a White spot on there head ans are solid Black with no White Spot.
That cross is a Black Sex-link...

Chris

That's right. This is a sex link I didn't know about. The argument I am adressing is some of these posts are confusing sex link with crossing.
I admitt I don't know all the crosses to get sex link. But if your crossing for differant color on the grown offspring that's not sex linking.

Here is a Great Link on Sex-links https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=261208

But in short,
Gold Rooster over Silver Hen = Red Sex-link
Example, Rhode Island Red male over a Columbian Rock or Speckled Sussex male over a Light Sussex female.

Most ant Non-Barred Rooster over a Barred Hen = Black sex-link
Example, Rhode Island Red male over a Barred Rock or a Black Wyandotte male over a Dominique female.

Fast feathering Rooster over a Slow feathering Hen = sex-link
Example, Leghorn male over Rhode Island Red female or Dominique male over a Barred Rock female.


Chris

 

[Duramaxgirl]

I would love to see some black copper marans x cuckoo marans photos! Anyone??

 

[RAREROO]

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if you are referring to Illia post on the Cuckoo Marans x Black Copper Marans
Males are Black and have a White spot on there head ans are solid Black with no White Spot.
That cross is a Black Sex-link...

Chris

That's right. This is a sex link I didn't know about. The argument I am adressing is some of these posts are confusing sex link with crossing.
I admitt I don't know all the crosses to get sex link. But if your crossing for differant color on the grown offspring that's not sex linking.

Why are you arguing against this idea then if you dont know all the ins and outs of sexlink breeding and what combinations make sexlinks and what cant. You seem to be thinking from the Commercial sexlink breeding aspect of crossing productive breeds just as the RIR roo with BR hens to make production sexlinks that can be sexed at birth but that is not really the case here in this thread. Sexlinkage can occur within almost any breed as long as there is a non barred and a barred variety and or a pure gold gened variety and a pure silver gened variety, regardless of if its a productive breed or not. Its just simply to be able to sex the chicks at hatch .

Its so simple

Any color of non Cuckoo Marans roos on Cuckoo hens makes black sexlinks and since you are crossing Marans with Marans you still technically get Marans.

Same for any breed where you can have barred hens and none barred roos withing the same breed such has Rocks, Cochins, Wyandottes, ect......


Or for red sexlinks in the same breed you can cross say a Buff, Red, or Speckled Sussex roo on Light Sussex hens and you get Red Sexlinked Sussex

Same with Buff or Partridge Brahma roos on Light or Dark Brahma hens.

Buff, Partridge , GL, BLR Wyandotte roos on Silver laced or Columbian Wyandotte hens


And like Illia said with the Golden Cuckoo Marans, They were crossing BC Marans roos on Cuckoo hens which resulted in Black Sexlinks, with the males looking similar to Golden Cuckoos but its not saying that breeding towards making the Golden Cuckoo color was considered Sexlinkage, the Golden Cuckoo males were just made as a by product of the sexlink cross.

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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I think it could be handy for those interested in selling to the "backyard flock" type that are only interested in pretty layers, but still want purebreds. That's why I'm trying to see how some of these color combinations within the same breed come out looking. For example, would a GLW over a SLW wyandotte hen produce hens that look like purebred Gold Laced Wyandotte, or not?

Same for the cross within the Rock varieties. Sell off Plymouth Rock Hens for layer flocks, and keep the boys to grow out for your freezer...or sell them as DP meat birds. There's certainly a market locally in my area for both genders, but buyers do like sexed birds. Especially the city folks that want to keep a few hens.

With Ameraucanas, I could sell pretty blue egg layers at a premium since they would be sexed, and sell the cockerels as pet food. Just for example.

 

[RAREROO]

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I think it could be handy for those interested in selling to the "backyard flock" type that are only interested in pretty layers, but still want purebreds. That's why I'm trying to see how some of these color combinations within the same breed come out looking. For example, would a GLW over a SLW wyandotte hen produce hens that look like purebred Gold Laced Wyandotte, or not?

Same for the cross within the Rock varieties. Sell off Plymouth Rock Hens for layer flocks, and keep the boys to grow out for your freezer...or sell them as DP meat birds. There's certainly a market locally in my area for both genders, but buyers do like sexed birds. Especially the city folks that want to keep a few hens.

With Ameraucanas, I could sell pretty blue egg layers at a premium since they would be sexed, and sell the cockerels as pet food. Just for example.

Agreed, I dont think any here is concerned with " industry standards " as this is BackyardChickens.com not IndustryChickens.com and like you said Haiku, this is very handy Backyard breeders who are wanting to be able to sell guaranteed pullets and also for people who want to buy guaranteed pullets.

And like I said in the previous post, sexlinkage is simply for producing sexlinked chicks that can be sexed at hatch. Regardless if their purpose is for commercial, hobby, or otherwise.

 

[Farmergreen]

.[/quote}And like I said in the previous post, sexlinkage is simply for producing sexlinked chicks that can be sexed at hatch. Regardless if their purpose is for commercial, hobby, or otherwise


Rareroo This statement you made is exactly the point I was trying to make. This is the only purpose in sexlink. My argument was some on here seemed to be confusing sexlinking with cross breeding.
No I don't know every possible link in sexlinking as I'm sure even you may have missed a few. I didn't know about Marans because I have never messed with that breed.
There are a lot of possible combinations out there and I'm sure more to come.
I keep Blk & Red sexlinks for my layer flock. These I buy from McMurrey Hatchery in Texas. I like the blks they are nice looking hens but the reds seem to lay better in the winter.
Anyway didn't mean to start a war. Just thought some should understand the differance in sexlinking and cross breeding and yes you can do both at the same time.