Quail Breeding and Keeping it OUT of the Family

[Florence NightingQuail]

Sorry if this has been covered, I can’t really find info on here relevant to my specific scenario. I bought 24 eggs, with assurance from the reputable breeder was composed of 5 different bloodlines. Had shocking incubator issues and only successfully hatched 10 of the 24 (Next time I’ll know to check that water hose position before I screw the floor back in!). But now that I’m looking ahead to breeding any of them, I have no idea which ones belong to the same bloodline in order to avoid inbreeding. Would I be safest to only couple up that ones that look radically different from each other? IE, is it likely that a Tibetan could be the sister of a tuxedo?? Can an Italian possibly be sibling of a pharo?

 

[Ravenlover]

Im stumped only thing i can think of is should have the eggs marked whats from what and if the guy didnt know then idk now that they are vorn and grown well conundrum

 

[Florence NightingQuail]

Yeah, it didn’t really occur to me til afterwards that the eggs really should have had some sort of coding marks on them so I’d know the who’s who amongst them! I know bugger all about quail genetics, except that the dusty white are usually a recessive gene occurrring in brown wild pairings, so I guess I’ll avoid hooking my brown roo up with a blondie, in case he’s her brother or something....

 

[Ravenlover]

Yeah, it didn’t really occur to me til afterwards that the eggs really should have had some sort of coding marks on them so I’d know the who’s who amongst them! I know bugger all about quail genetics, except that the dusty white are usually a recessive gene occurrring in brown wild pairings, so I guess I’ll avoid hooking my brown roo up with a blondie, in case he’s her brother or something....

To give u a idea

 

[ShrekDawg]

@muddy75 @007Sean ???

 

[ShrekDawg]

@Fenrisulfr ?

 

[NatJ]

How big of an issue is it, if the quail get inbred?

Would it work to just pretend that your originals are not related (even though some really are), and then make plans to manage inbreeding in future generations?

 

[JacinLarkwell]

From what I've heard from Myshire, even two of the same color can produce multiple different colors in hatching, even with tuxedos

 

[JaeG]

Birds are actually very forgiving when it comes to inbreeding. At this stage with such a variety of genes you aren't going to see any negative effects, even if by chance you do put a brother and sister together.

 

[Quaicken108]

When we have multiple quails and we’re talking about genetics the mutation of the quail is impacted by their bloodline. If I have a tuxedo male and a Italian female then the chicks would be Italian and tuxedos unless my Italian and/or tuxedo have other genes like if I have a tuxedo male who is breeding with an Italian female but the tuxedos mum is a pharaoh than you’d get the pharaoh gene in the bloodline and even though you don’t have a pharaoh mutation the chicks could also be pharaohs because of the bloodline. So if you have quails that you’re not sure of the same or different mutations dosen’t mean who’s related to who but if you know them, ring them up or maybe you know them for keeping bloodline and mutations together I’m not sure but just because you have quails with different mutations dosen’t hugely impact the bloodline. If I had a tuxedo make and an Italian female than the results for those mutations would increase and you would have siblings with the same mutations. I’m guessing you have Coturnix and they’re not as susceptible as kings/buttons but I have a friend who has a male with four of his sisters and he sees them as sisters but this is also different because they helped raise him. I know they have two males with one female who see each other as siblings as well. When they got Coturnix they had a pair and the male didn’t really try to breed with the female and they thought that it was probably a relative. Not saying that all quails know which other quail is it’s relative but sometimes they just won’t interact (sexually) with them. Inbreeding can be a huge problem if it’s done multiple times because it will reduce the lifespan of the quail and can also give them deformities. That same friend got a bobwhite and Californian quail pair from a person who inbred and they only have the Californian quail male left. Their bobwhite female had a extra toe and when their Californian quails had a fertile egg which they hatched out it died young because it was inbred and not as likely to survive. This is sad and cruel in my opinion so if you get chicks then just make sure to separate the bloodlines because it can lead to a real heartbreaking reality for your quails. Not to bash anyone up or anything but breeding in my personal opinion is serious and should be done knowledgeably. I know people who have bred animals that resulted in hybrids. Frankly I don’t care what people say about a hybridisation that looks ‘cool or pretty’ because the real thing is as cool and pretty. Taxonomy can be important because if you’re think (not you don’t worry I’m just ranting, soz) to breed a golden pheasant with a lady amherst pheasant than you’re actually hybridising because they’re two different species. It’s actually like trying to breed a king quail (true name) with a Japanese quail (true name) because they’re two different species under the same genus... Coturnix quail. Which is what practically everyone refers Japanese quails as that I just say it. Kings on the other hand can be called Chinese painted quail and stuff which is the same thing but what people usually call them is button quails which is what they’re sort of known as now but button quails are actually this brown sort of wild quail. Sooooooo sorry for my mini (BIG) rant. Hopefully you can find out or do something to impact the breeding situation.