QUECHUA /Tojuda/ Ameraucana/ Easter Eggers{ In vino veritas

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Resolution, Sep 24, 2010.

  1. Resolution

    Resolution Chillin' With My Peeps

    Great idea. Here you have the Ona- so you will have any number of segregates in each clutch, which you can you put into different breeding founder groups.
     
  2. Kollonco araucano

    Kollonco araucano Out Of The Brooder

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    what worries me a bit is the number of chicks dead in shell, crossing with Quetro Quetro; that the male is "Collonco de Aretes", and the female is "Ona de Aretes"

    theoretically should not exceed 25%, but that is sometimes more
     
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  3. Resolution

    Resolution Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:Hens must be fed quinoa, sweet potato, Indian maize and fish at all times of the year.
    Some of the issue are dietary.

    Could you please post some photos of crested mapuche- Im so busy right now Im flailing at this thread.
     
  4. Kollonco araucano

    Kollonco araucano Out Of The Brooder

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    Not die from the diet, they die because the earrings are a lethal gene homcigotos submitted. and some die from the damage caused formarce earrings in the structures of the head and others die earrings that definitely grow inward from the butchering.

    Does the gene tuft Peruvian quetero not behave that way?
     
  5. Kollonco araucano

    Kollonco araucano Out Of The Brooder

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    Perfect Mapuche hen photographed in Peru she is of the Chaco Argentina morphotype.
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  6. kano

    kano Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:He also has a nice crest- like a Crested Mapuche- does he have a tail?

    Yes. He's a quetro. See another full photo of him in his maturity. I don't have him anymore. He was very mean with some hens. And mostly with the two colloncas of the flock.[​IMG]

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  7. Kollonco araucano

    Kollonco araucano Out Of The Brooder

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    Indigine Crested Mapuche one sees in remote villages- relatively small and gracile. Unfortunately he has yellow legs. Nevertheless, he has ample wings - I think they refer to the colour type of the wing as "crow wing" in North American poultier circles. The legs are well back on the body of the bird and relatively short. These are good traits.
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    This over sized rooster is obviously the product of Mapuche Indigine fowl crossed into Commercial Utility breeds. The state of Vermont in the United States has two breeds of this type in development for agricultural use.
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    The large, broad-breasted dual purpose Crested Mapuche one sees in many Chilean Villages. Kolloncas sent this photo from Chile.
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  8. Birch Run Farm

    Birch Run Farm Biddy up!

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    Yes, Kollonco, he is crow wing. Here is my rumpless American version, no crest but tufted. Note his plumage color:

    As cockerel

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    Same bird as a cock

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  9. Resolution

    Resolution Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:I read some notes refuting this supposition. The tufts are more likely to be lethal when specific micronutrients are not present in the egg yolk. The Quetero chick any tufted chick needs to be nurtured on food ( in the egg yolk) while it is growing. In the Japanese study they had a sizable % of mortality decrease with the addition of certain traditional foods.
    The breeding pairs/flocks were maintained on cooked sweet potato, quinoa grain, Indian corn, pine nuts, animal fat ( mutton fat and beef suet) and dried fish.
    If you have no dried fish try a tin of sardines ( with bones and skin in olive oil) every two to three days. Pine nuts can be traded with raw almonds.

    North American poultiers can always rely on UltraKibble! Its got the entire amino acid balance but Id still supplement with quinoa and sweetpotato.
    The egg pigment is increased with quinoa but only the daughters of a blue egg laying hen supplemented with quinoa and cooked sweet potato tend to have the darker egg shell hue.

    The Quetero were sacred. These singing fowl were fed a special diet exclusively prepared for them .

    Personally, it does seem many of them fail to hatch due to lethal genes. But as so many roosters are born with each clutch and it is they that possess the largest earrings -the Quetero I'm speaking of- it evens out the sex ratio. There seem to be a larger diversity of female phenotypes- their colour primarly- some posture- but all sleek wild things.
    Different colours- and most of them with out earrings. But then there is at least one Black Quechua line here in the US where only the females are likely to have earrings
     
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  10. Kollonco araucano

    Kollonco araucano Out Of The Brooder

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    I opened skulls of chicks dead in shell, two-parent children with earrings and in many cases I have seen growing inwards earrings and going directly to the brain, or damage the throat and respiratory system.

    The Mud Hens earrings (I mean just those in Chile are that he knows personally) are a deformation of the ear canal that tends to leave out of the skull when presented heterozygous and tends to go inward when presented homozygous.

    When you cross a male Mud Hens, with females without earrings, leaving less than half of the offspring with earrings, if you cross a male without earrings, earrings with females, leaving less than half of babies with earrings. This is classic behavior of heterozygosity.
     
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