've also seen chicks that last time you live but the earring out from the throat, and begins to infect the food they eat
QUECHUA /Tojuda/ Ameraucana/ Easter Eggers{ In vino veritas
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Cool thread. Very informative. Great pictures. Thank you.
Pine nuts can be traded with raw almonds.
What about sunflower seeds?
Fascinating thread. I'm looking at my partridge colored EE with more respect.
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I read some notes refuting this supposition. The tufts are more likely to be lethal when specific micronutrients are not present in the egg yolk. The Quetero chick any tufted chick needs to be nurtured on food ( in the egg yolk) while it is growing. In the Japanese study they had a sizable % of mortality decrease with the addition of certain traditional foods.
The breeding pairs/flocks were maintained on cooked sweet potato, quinoa grain, Indian corn, pine nuts, animal fat ( mutton fat and beef suet) and dried fish.
If you have no dried fish try a tin of sardines ( with bones and skin in olive oil) every two to three days. Pine nuts can be traded with raw almonds.
North American poultiers can always rely on UltraKibble! Its got the entire amino acid balance but Id still supplement with quinoa and sweetpotato.
The egg pigment is increased with quinoa but only the daughters of a blue egg laying hen supplemented with quinoa and cooked sweet potato tend to have the darker egg shell hue.
The Quetero were sacred. These singing fowl were fed a special diet exclusively prepared for them .
Personally, it does seem many of them fail to hatch due to lethal genes. But as so many roosters are born with each clutch and it is they that possess the largest earrings -the Quetero I'm speaking of- it evens out the sex ratio. There seem to be a larger diversity of female phenotypes- their colour primarly- some posture- but all sleek wild things.
Different colours- and most of them with out earrings. But then there is at least one Black Quechua line here in the US where only the females are likely to have earrings
What about sunflower seeds?
Fascinating thread. I'm looking at my partridge colored EE with more respect.
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I read some notes refuting this supposition. The tufts are more likely to be lethal when specific micronutrients are not present in the egg yolk. The Quetero chick any tufted chick needs to be nurtured on food ( in the egg yolk) while it is growing. In the Japanese study they had a sizable % of mortality decrease with the addition of certain traditional foods.
The breeding pairs/flocks were maintained on cooked sweet potato, quinoa grain, Indian corn, pine nuts, animal fat ( mutton fat and beef suet) and dried fish.
If you have no dried fish try a tin of sardines ( with bones and skin in olive oil) every two to three days. Pine nuts can be traded with raw almonds.
North American poultiers can always rely on UltraKibble! Its got the entire amino acid balance but Id still supplement with quinoa and sweetpotato.
The egg pigment is increased with quinoa but only the daughters of a blue egg laying hen supplemented with quinoa and cooked sweet potato tend to have the darker egg shell hue.
The Quetero were sacred. These singing fowl were fed a special diet exclusively prepared for them .
Personally, it does seem many of them fail to hatch due to lethal genes. But as so many roosters are born with each clutch and it is they that possess the largest earrings -the Quetero I'm speaking of- it evens out the sex ratio. There seem to be a larger diversity of female phenotypes- their colour primarly- some posture- but all sleek wild things.
Different colours- and most of them with out earrings. But then there is at least one Black Quechua line here in the US where only the females are likely to have earrings
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Sunflower seeds are nice for the fall and winter but avoid feeding them during reproductive cycle. Your partridge EE's are very special indeed.
Truly fascinating. Great research, info and photos too. I love, love, love my EE's. They are my favorites by a mile.
Why not during the reproductive cycle?
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Yes Kollonca, I am familiar with a few papers that have studied this phenomenon at great lengths. Nevertheless, the Japanese authors were able to link some of the malformation to specific nutrient deficiencies- deficiencies not required by typical poultry.
One must look at all the factors. True these earrings can grow into the brain and etc. But until a series of scientific experiments are staged that include nutrient supplementation, we cannot look at heterozygosity alone.
As I understand it, there is already a high rate of malformations in chicks hatched from parents with earrings. Nevertheless, these malformations are increased along with mortality when the diet is simply insufficient in specific enzymes and so on.
The chick develops with an egg yolk as its only source of sustenance. The diet of the focal breeding male and female needs to be adjusted- supplemented in such a manner that increases the nutritional value of the egg yolk- exponentially.
At what point in the division of the cells- that is during the formation of the embryo do things begin to go wrong?
Am I asking a clear question here?
We need to look deeper into the stages of development of the embryo to make an educated guess as to how to decrease malformations and mortality.
Of course the old Indian's birds didn't have these problems...or did they? What did the incredible elevations -what did that lack of oxygen have on the Quetero?
So many questions...
Yes Kollonca, I am familiar with a few papers that have studied this phenomenon at great lengths. Nevertheless, the Japanese authors were able to link some of the malformation to specific nutrient deficiencies- deficiencies not required by typical poultry.
One must look at all the factors. True these earrings can grow into the brain and etc. But until a series of scientific experiments are staged that include nutrient supplementation, we cannot look at heterozygosity alone.
As I understand it, there is already a high rate of malformations in chicks hatched from parents with earrings. Nevertheless, these malformations are increased along with mortality when the diet is simply insufficient in specific enzymes and so on.
The chick develops with an egg yolk as its only source of sustenance. The diet of the focal breeding male and female needs to be adjusted- supplemented in such a manner that increases the nutritional value of the egg yolk- exponentially.
At what point in the division of the cells- that is during the formation of the embryo do things begin to go wrong?
Am I asking a clear question here?
We need to look deeper into the stages of development of the embryo to make an educated guess as to how to decrease malformations and mortality.
Of course the old Indian's birds didn't have these problems...or did they? What did the incredible elevations -what did that lack of oxygen have on the Quetero?
So many questions...
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What a beautiful subject and post. Thanks so much.
North American poultiers can always rely on UltraKibble!
Ultrakibble is not readily available, at least not on the west coast. I called the manufacturer. I only found one on line source that had it in stock.
Fortunately quinoa and sweet potatoes are readily available. Do I need to cook the quinoa?
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I read some notes refuting this supposition. The tufts are more likely to be lethal when specific micronutrients are not present in the egg yolk. The Quetero chick any tufted chick needs to be nurtured on food ( in the egg yolk) while it is growing. In the Japanese study they had a sizable % of mortality decrease with the addition of certain traditional foods.
The breeding pairs/flocks were maintained on cooked sweet potato, quinoa grain, Indian corn, pine nuts, animal fat ( mutton fat and beef suet) and dried fish.
If you have no dried fish try a tin of sardines ( with bones and skin in olive oil) every two to three days. Pine nuts can be traded with raw almonds.
North American poultiers can always rely on UltraKibble! Its got the entire amino acid balance but Id still supplement with quinoa and sweetpotato.
The egg pigment is increased with quinoa but only the daughters of a blue egg laying hen supplemented with quinoa and cooked sweet potato tend to have the darker egg shell hue.
The Quetero were sacred. These singing fowl were fed a special diet exclusively prepared for them .
Personally, it does seem many of them fail to hatch due to lethal genes. But as so many roosters are born with each clutch and it is they that possess the largest earrings -the Quetero I'm speaking of- it evens out the sex ratio. There seem to be a larger diversity of female phenotypes- their colour primarly- some posture- but all sleek wild things.
Different colours- and most of them with out earrings. But then there is at least one Black Quechua line here in the US where only the females are likely to have earrings
Ultrakibble is not readily available, at least not on the west coast. I called the manufacturer. I only found one on line source that had it in stock.
Fortunately quinoa and sweet potatoes are readily available. Do I need to cook the quinoa?
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I read some notes refuting this supposition. The tufts are more likely to be lethal when specific micronutrients are not present in the egg yolk. The Quetero chick any tufted chick needs to be nurtured on food ( in the egg yolk) while it is growing. In the Japanese study they had a sizable % of mortality decrease with the addition of certain traditional foods.
The breeding pairs/flocks were maintained on cooked sweet potato, quinoa grain, Indian corn, pine nuts, animal fat ( mutton fat and beef suet) and dried fish.
If you have no dried fish try a tin of sardines ( with bones and skin in olive oil) every two to three days. Pine nuts can be traded with raw almonds.
North American poultiers can always rely on UltraKibble! Its got the entire amino acid balance but Id still supplement with quinoa and sweetpotato.
The egg pigment is increased with quinoa but only the daughters of a blue egg laying hen supplemented with quinoa and cooked sweet potato tend to have the darker egg shell hue.
The Quetero were sacred. These singing fowl were fed a special diet exclusively prepared for them .
Personally, it does seem many of them fail to hatch due to lethal genes. But as so many roosters are born with each clutch and it is they that possess the largest earrings -the Quetero I'm speaking of- it evens out the sex ratio. There seem to be a larger diversity of female phenotypes- their colour primarly- some posture- but all sleek wild things.
Different colours- and most of them with out earrings. But then there is at least one Black Quechua line here in the US where only the females are likely to have earrings
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This is a bit confusing because this is Chaco Argentina - aCrested Mapuche - we should delineate the Crested Mapuche breeds from the winter faced Quechua.
It gets confusing because the winter faced race has been crossed onto the crested race. The winter faced race with earrings is less of a confusion because Quetero and Quechua have long been interbred. It becomes confusing when the crest becomes a part of the equation. Many Collonca are crested as is the Ona and the Shehuen- but I'm dragging my feet - please stay tuned and help me get this organized so that the reader cannot confuse the topics.
This is a bit confusing because this is Chaco Argentina - aCrested Mapuche - we should delineate the Crested Mapuche breeds from the winter faced Quechua.
It gets confusing because the winter faced race has been crossed onto the crested race. The winter faced race with earrings is less of a confusion because Quetero and Quechua have long been interbred. It becomes confusing when the crest becomes a part of the equation. Many Collonca are crested as is the Ona and the Shehuen- but I'm dragging my feet - please stay tuned and help me get this organized so that the reader cannot confuse the topics.
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