Questions about NPIP program

[11th Hour Poultry]

That's quite the slur to throw in my direction. How about some evidence for the claims you are posting re: NPIP on various threads. Not proof, mind you, simply evidence which sugggests your claims are more likely than not? I'll lower the bar for you.

You don't want proof, huh? Just evidence? Ok. These are your words.

“They destroy the flock. Not the bird, the flock. Because its too difficult to determine which is the offending bird with 100% confidence, and because the value of private livestock is insignificant when compared to the potential damage to state agricultural activity.”

Here’s a question you replied to.

“Is this true? Could I potentially lose my entire flock by participating in the program because of an outbreak at another farm?”

Your answer: Yes its true.

Are your own words evidence enough? Or do you have 7 more paragraphs of distraction that will sway a lay towards positive thoughts of NPIP?

You said the value of private livestock is insignificant to the potential damage to state agricultural activity. Read it again. ...PRIVATE LIVESTOCK IS INSIGNIFICANT TO STATE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY. Just say it, State Control.

You are using BS phrases to emphasize your position. "State Agricultural Activity". Is that people in a white truck wearing high visibility orange vests spraying chemicals on county roads knowing very well vapor drift is a thing?

I will go on record and say that PRIVATE LIVESTOCK is worth more than tenfold the worth of "State Agricultural Activity" to the people that actually live from it.

Make a post without any caveats about the benefits of not registering with NPIP and I'll apologize and retract my advocate comment.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

You don't want proof, huh? Just evidence? Ok. These are your words.

“They destroy the flock. Not the bird, the flock. Because its too difficult to determine which is the offending bird with 100% confidence, and because the value of private livestock is insignificant when compared to the potential damage to state agricultural activity.”

Here’s a question you replied to.

“Is this true? Could I potentially lose my entire flock by participating in the program because of an outbreak at another farm?”

Your answer: Yes its true.

Are your own words evidence enough? Or do you have 7 more paragraphs of distraction that will sway a lay towards positive thoughts of NPIP?

You said the value of private livestock is insignificant to the potential damage to state agricultural activity. Read it again. ...PRIVATE LIVESTOCK IS INSIGNIFICANT TO STATE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY. Just say it, State Control.

All of which is true, WHETHER YOUR FLOCK IS NPIP OR NOT.

I understand your objection to the State doing what they want on your property with your livestock - but that legal ship sailed two centuries ago (as to the first part) and a century ago (as to the second). Not being NPIP won't prevent the State from doing any of the parade of horribles listed above.

Neither is there a scintilla of evidence that the State is arbitrarily culling NPIP-participating flocks because they are impacting sales of the big producers.

Address the question.

 

[Huntmaster]

All of which is true, WHETHER YOUR FLOCK IS NPIP OR NOT.

I understand your objection to the State doing what they want on your property with your livestock - but that legal ship sailed two centuries ago (as to the first part) and a centruy ago (as to the second). Not being NPIP won't prevent the State from doing any of the parade of horribles listed above.

Neither is there a scintilla of evidence that the State is arbitrarily culling NPIP-participating flocks because they are impacting sales of the big producers.

Address the question.

They can't just another troll conspiracist.

 

[Margaretgray]

You don't want proof, huh? Just evidence? Ok. These are your words.

“They destroy the flock. Not the bird, the flock. Because its too difficult to determine which is the offending bird with 100% confidence, and because the value of private livestock is insignificant when compared to the potential damage to state agricultural activity.”

Here’s a question you replied to.

“Is this true? Could I potentially lose my entire flock by participating in the program because of an outbreak at another farm?”

Your answer: Yes its true.

Are your own words evidence enough? Or do you have 7 more paragraphs of distraction that will sway a lay towards positive thoughts of NPIP?

You said the value of private livestock is insignificant to the potential damage to state agricultural activity. Read it again. ...PRIVATE LIVESTOCK IS INSIGNIFICANT TO STATE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY. Just say it, State Control.

You are using BS phrases to emphasize your position. "State Agricultural Activity". Is that people in a white truck wearing high visibility orange vests spraying chemicals on county roads knowing very well vapor drift is a thing?

I will go on record and say that PRIVATE LIVESTOCK is worth more than tenfold the worth of "State Agricultural Activity" to the people that actually live from it.

Make a post without any caveats about the benefits of not registering with NPIP and I'll apologize and retract my advocate comment.

Which is why I chose to not be npip. I am not comfortable with all the b.s. that can happen once you register your flock.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

All the same things can happen if you don't register your flock.

 

[FAVEROLLES LOVER]

Well, you want the State (Michigan) and its Laws (or Codes, or Statutes) related to Chickens (Animals or Livestock) and Diseases. Google Search

The results of which pretty quickly tell you that you want to read Michigan General Laws Chapter 287

Simple.

I have Heritage chickens/rare. I follow sanitary rules such as - No one comes near or has contact with my flock, every thing even feeding bowls and water bowls are washed and sanitized daily, boots/shoes clothing separate from daily living cloths. I breed from within the 3 flocks alternating roosters for a year. I have a friend that will not let anyone near her coops and often wondered why. After the cost of feed and shelter ( husband and I ) build our own predator proof coops and large in closed runs covered and with mesh skirts. Naturally they don't free range but they don't want or need for anything. A lot of money in these birds and wouldn't want to lose them all to a possible outbreak in the area. I will be NPIP in very early spring of 2025 to sell fertilized eggs and chicks. Third generation as I know by me. It only makes sense for all the hard work.

 

[MKetter]

So, why am I NPIP certified, even though I maintain a closed flock, don't sell my birds, and have no plans to sell my birds in the near term?

because its free (to me - FL subsidizes it, unlike many States), it tells me that my flock is free of certain devastating diseases on the date of testing (so I don't continue my culling project in hopes of producing a useful bird I can't later in good conscious sell because its a known carrier of - or has known exposure to - some terrible disease in poultry), and because twice a year, I get to talk with my local Ag guy about what he's seeing in the surrounding counties, and based on that, make decisions about my own biosecurity practices.

What do I give up? Twice a year I get a call asking if I can make my flock available for testing at some day in the coming week, plus about two hours of my time to help with testing. If I say no? They just don't recertify. The Department is too busy to do a spot inspection on someone who chooses to discontinue participation in the absence of a known or suspected outbreak. Your local gov't agents may be different, but every place I've ever lived, if the agent doesn't have to drive across multiple counties to come see you, he (or she) isn't going to go out of his way to make your life difficult when you tell them you don't want to participate anymore.

and when I do finally choose to sell? I'll be able to honestly say I've been continuously NPIP certified since September 2021 , and my property has been registered with the State Dept of Ag since roughly the same date. If people then assume I've been in business for a while? That has value to me as well.

I know this thread is from last year, but it was informative, and I want to thank you.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

I know this thread is from last year, but it was informative, and I want to thank you.

Happy to have provided some value. Have a great evening.