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[chicks4kids]

My husband and I have lifetime permits in Indiana. We used to get renewables. Once they allowed lifetime, it was far less expensive for a lifetime rather than an every 4 year permit. Requirements are fingerprinted & background checks (for felonies).

 

[redhen]

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darn..you guys are no fun...
i hear frozen paintballs can break bones...

 

[Marlinchaser]

How to Get a Permit to Carry a Concealed Weapon in Michigan

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Article Rating: (9 Ratings) You can obtain a license to carry a concealed handgun in Michigan through a cooperative effort between local county gun boards, Sheriff's offices and the Michigan State Police. A license to carry a concealed handgun is also known as a CCW permit. You must follow certain steps from the application process since deviation from those steps results in an automatic decline of application.
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1Pass initial legal requirements. A CCW applicant must be at least 21 years of age and a legal resident of Michigan for over 6 months. Additionally, the applicant cannot have a felony criminal record or convictions for certain misdemeanors. For a comprehensive list of legal requirements, visit http://michigan.gov/.

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2Attend and pass a Pistol Safety Training course that meets Michigan's state requirements. If you pass the training course, obtain a completion certificate. The certificate does not expire but is a factor for consideration during the application process.

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3Obtain a CCW permit application kit. Application kits are free, and provided by law enforcement agencies and County Clerk's offices. You can also download the application from http://michigan.gov/.

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4Complete the application thoroughly. File it with the County Clerk's office in your home county. Bring a clear facial photograph of yourself, suitable for a passport, and the completion certificate from the Pistol Safety Training course. You must pay a filing fee. Obtain a paid filing fee receipt for the application.

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5Take the paid receipt to your local Sheriff's office. Have someone fingerprint you for a concealed weapon application. Some counties charge a small service fee. The Sheriff's office forwards your fingerprints to the Michigan State Police.

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6Wait for final processing. The Michigan State Police conducts the criminal check and forwards its findings to the local county gun board. Upon receipt of this report, the gun board has 45 days to approve or deny your application for a CCW license.

 

[fancbrd4me02]

I agree, choices matter. I choose not to be afraid. Why worry? I'm not saying don't have a gun, go ahead. I have guns, but just in case, not because I am worried about crime. Mostly its for the sad times when something needs to be put out of it's misery. Sometimes that kind of thing happens when you have livestock. But sometimes things need to be killed outside of the home, like a dog that has been hit by a car and will not make it and is suffering. Because that could happen should I carry a gun? I choose not to, it's not my job to do that, and if I were to be involved in such a scenario I am sure I could improvise if i had to. But I just think the likelyhood outweighs the effort and level of worry I would be living with by getting into that habit. And before anyone says that I would feel differently if I were a victim of crime, thats not true. I have had my share of troubles. But, having lived in the shadow of those events and then leaving them for optimism, I cannot choose to let the perpetrators keep me worried or out for revenge. I think the best revenge upon them is not allowing them to take my own personal power from me. Honestly, its not that I don't think anything will happen to me, I just accept the risk.

 

[Dar]

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I am not saying you as in pointing fingers....lol just to clear the air...lolo

BUT if they are lifetime... then if you happen to ummmm go a lil loopy... age related mental impairment... Alzheimer, dementia...ect... what happens then? who "controls" this sort of thing?... a lot of time Alzheimers or dementia goes undetected for years before the doc can and will write all the appropriate letters..

 

[crtrlovr]

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I, for one, am so VERY thankful to live in a country where I DO have a choice. Guns don't kill people any more than pencils make math mistakes or grammatical errors in a written essay. Guns, knives, pencils, automobiles, etc. are simply tools, nothing more. The effect of the use of that tool is determined by the person using the tool, not the tool itself. (This is NOT talking about a child who gets access to something dangerous; that's the responsibility of whoever is supposed to be watching the child). Don't blame a gun for killing someone. Don't blame a car driven by a drunk person for killing someone (and don't even go there on a rant; I've experienced the loss of a loved one due to a drunk driver. We didn't sue the maker of the automobile he drove). We need to fight to KEEP our right to choice, and we also need to STRONGLY voice our opinions on the need for tort reform! When will juries stop awarding ridiculous damages to someone hurt WHILE COMMITTING A CRIME, while stupid enough (sorry, Stella...) to drive and try to open scalding hot coffee (and yes, I've BTDT, too!), to run with scissors, to ... (ad infinitum) ... we have become a nation of irresponsible crybabies who, when through their own ineptitude or stupidity get injured or suffer some kind of loss, cry "it's somebody else's fault, and somebody's gotta pay!" Juries love to grant huge punitive damages because it's not coming out of their pockets. It's "somebody else's" responsibility to pay up. Well, if you're a taxpayer, or if you pay insurance premiums, guess who "somebody" is...

ETA: sorry if this hijacked the original post & intent.

 

[Boyd]

here's a story of a little boy.

He grew up poor but didn't know it. Even though he had lots of siblings he was a loner by nature and enjoyed being by himself better than being around everyone. Long walks in the woods were normal. Some months we didn't have any meat in the freezer unless we had something we could spare to slaughter, or hunting season crapped out on us. At the age of 5 I got my first BB gun. My parents spent all sorts of time and energy teaching me all about gun safety and within a couple of years I had my very own rifle and shotgun. When I wasn't in school, or working the farm, I would walk. My childhood wasn't as fun as most peoples, and I always wrestled with my own demons on these walks. Often times I would jump up a rabbit, squirrel etc. A quick shot, put it in my pack and when I got home, we had something to throw in the stewpot in addition to the never ending supply of cabbage soup. Some days it was doves, another was rabbits, sometimes a wild turkey if they were in season. When I was 12 I could start bow hunting. I never realized it, but I was learning and absorbing much of what nature had to teach me. I was also learning wood lore, and how to be self sufficient. The age of 12 was also when I started working full time.

If I wanted new clothes I had to work a job to earn enough to get them and not goodwill or hand me downs. Same goes for shoes and boots. Like I said, I never knew I was poor. But you would hardly ever find me without my rifle or shotgun because without them, there may have been times we went without.

I was also a target by the ritzy folks in town. There were 3 farm families where I was growing up. I spent more time out of school than in because of the foolish folks. I won't take a punch to the back of the head, and every man has a breaking point.

So what did I do when I turned 18? I moved into a big city with almost NO $$$ to start my new life. I could only afford the worst neighborhoods back then. I watched youths breaking into houses across the street for fun. I watched them dragging a family out into the street to be beaten. Of course I called the cops, but they never showed up. I ended up coming to the aide of the folks across the street the same way I would in my little podunk town. I used my fists first, and when it turned worse, I had to warn them off by showing them I was ready to use more force than they were.

I got totally burned out by the violence of the city. The total lack of compassion and value of human life. I thought I couldn't wait to get out of the country? I couldn't wait to get out of the city. I spent years trying and finally saved enough to do so.

Fast forward many many years. I have some pretty unique life experiences that my friends say WoW!... it was just the regular drama I knew. I didn't know anything was weird and out of the ordinary. Guns were a way of life. In modern times I felt like an old school cowboy out of some old John Wayne Western.

 

[fancbrd4me02]

Good story.

 

[Marlinchaser]

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I am not saying you as in pointing fingers....lol just to clear the air...lolo

BUT if they are lifetime... then if you happen to ummmm go a lil loopy... age related mental impairment... Alzheimer, dementia...ect... what happens then? who "controls" this sort of thing?... a lot of time Alzheimers or dementia goes undetected for years before the doc can and will write all the appropriate letters..

It is up to the permit holder to give up thier permit if diagnosed unfit, or if convicted of a crime(felony), but if mentally impaired they probably would not be thinking straight enough to give up the permit, and if convicted of a felony I would assume(I know you should never assume) that the permit says something to the extent that the permit is revoked upon conviction of said crime.

 

[shawnkfl]

my handguns are all loaded. no shell chambered, but loaded and ready. all secretly hidden.