**Rant** TSC and the NAIS!!!!!!!!

[Mary Of Exeter]

So that's why when I took home 6 chicks from TSC in the spring, they made me put down my contact info, how many chicks, and whether they were bantams, etc. To me, all that is nothing but a bunch of un-needed trouble. And I do believe they told me it was state required as well. All I wanted was some little bantams to keep in my backyard for fun and for their eggs. Not like I'm going into a major commercial chicken business!

I'm still not entirely clear on it all. I just don't see how it makes a difference period.

 

[speckledhen]

They are telling folks that in EVERY state, apparently. If it was state-required, then every single feedstore would have to take information as well. I personally resent being lied to. It is a TSC company thing, which I finally got them to admit by calling headquarters, not a gov't thing (at least not yet).

 

[GrayDragon]

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No..it is a CO-OP

Which ran a retail store.

in its current form. There have been proposals to make it mandatory and the chipping is part of that.

Funny, I haven't seen a legitimate source for that information yet. One of the first sites that comes up when you google about the NAIS microchips claims they cause cancer. Seriously? http://farmandranchfreedom.org/content/action-09-10-07

Like I said, there are legitimate reasons to be concerned about NAIS. But when those opposing NAIS are shouting claims like 'the government is going to infect your horses with cancer causing microchips', it's a little hard to take anything they say seriously.

Then there is the simple case of false advertising. If it isn't certified organic, it is illegal to slap a sticker on it calling it certified organic.

The governments "solution" to the infraction is way out of proportion.​

The article is also extremely one sided. I'm surprised they even included the mention of the organic label.

But then, there is this other great government system. It's called a court of law. If you feel your rights have been violated, you can go to this court of law and seek redress. A lot of people do this (I have) when their rights have been abused by a government official, and are successful in getting redress (I was).


I actually do have an FBI file on me. I've had my shoulder dislocated by the cops, on my own property, while I was breaking no laws. I have little trust for the government in general.

But when all the opposition to a government program is coming off as irrational and outright crazy, well...​

 

[Wifezilla]

Which ran a retail store.

No...they ran a coop and actually refused to sell eggs (a retail transaction) to a non-member who later turned out to be a fed.

I haven't seen a legitimate source for that information yet. One of the first sites that comes up when you google about the NAIS microchips claims they cause cancer. Seriously?

There is always going to be a lunatic fringe. But there are plenty of other sources.

But then, there is this other great government system. It's called a court of law. If you feel your rights have been violated, you can go to this court of law and seek redress.

Really? After the government takes your means of earning a living it makes it really hard to pay a lawyer.

I have little trust for the government in general.

But when all the opposition to a government program is coming off as irrational and outright crazy, well

I agree. The nuts aren't helping.​

 

[GrayDragon]

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No...they ran a coop and actually refused to sell eggs (a retail transaction) to a non-member who later turned out to be a fed.

If you sell items, even within a co-op, it is still retail.

Even if it's members only.

There is always going to be a lunatic fringe. But there are plenty of other sources.

I've yet to find ones that don't contain these sorts of claims.

Really? After the government takes your means of earning a living it makes it really hard to pay a lawyer.

There are actually quite a few lawyers who LIVE to take civil rights violation cases. The ACLU is one organization full of such, but there are plenty of others. There are also lawyers who will take cases pro-bono or for a 'percentage of the win'. And you are always free to represent yourself.​

 

[Boyd]

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No...they ran a coop and actually refused to sell eggs (a retail transaction) to a non-member who later turned out to be a fed.

If you sell items, even within a co-op, it is still retail.

Even if it's members only.

There is always going to be a lunatic fringe. But there are plenty of other sources.

I've yet to find ones that don't contain these sorts of claims.

Really? After the government takes your means of earning a living it makes it really hard to pay a lawyer.

There are actually quite a few lawyers who LIVE to take civil rights violation cases. The ACLU is one organization full of such, but there are plenty of others. There are also lawyers who will take cases pro-bono or for a 'percentage of the win'. And you are always free to represent yourself.​

GD, lets take the ACLU out of this entire conversation. Lets not go there.​

 

[kagedgoddess]

the main problem with Double H wasnt that they were selling meat that was "inaccurately" labeled, its more that they were selling meat that was 100% Uninspected by any kind of health officail. they were selling it at farmers markets and to Resturaunts. THATS why the pig was "denatured" there was NO WAY to know how that pig had been slaughtered, there was no way to know if the fqarmers even washed their hands first. i understand that you should be able to sell your farm products, BUT there are rules to follow. the owners of Double H even admit to trying to Hide their slaughter operation to be more profitable. they Broke the law. they are NOT a good example to use. one of the other guys arrested refused to get a permit, thats all. its not about What they were selling, it just makes for good headlines to say the gov is being "big brother"
as for the TSC thing, i did not know all that, now i do, and IF i get more chicks next year, i will refuse to give them that info. However, they did not ask me a million ? when i bought my girls last spring, just my telephone number.

 

[Tala]

Well when I checked out at TSC for some fence stuff, (chicken wire, maybe???) anyways....they asked for a phone number. This had nothing to do with purchasing animals, so I'm pretty sure that it was for TSC's own use and not for NAIS.


Today I was there for a fence post (yes just one, because Home Depot doesn't carry them grr) and the guy was just a fill-in cashier, and he just put in all 5's instead of a phone number. Didn't even ask me, but I watched him do it. lol

 

[Blackbird]

Those laws also make it extremely hard for those who do use sanitary methods to sell their goods. Now days its more like, either you don't, or you pay a bunch of money to do so. They prohibit the sale of actual healthy produce to those who seek it. Do you know what the milk you buy at the grocery store goes through, and what the animals go through? Not healthy.
It should be more like 'buy at your own risk', just pass out a bunch of warning labels for me to stamp on my raw goat milk and I'm happy.

 

[Wifezilla]

Exactly. It is my choice. Read "Everything I want to do is Illegal" by Joel Salatin if you really want to understand how the inspection process works (or doesn't work actually), and how a processor vs farm vs retail location definitions get totally twisted by regulators.

There are serious obstacles for a farmer who wants to process his own pork. Somehow driving across a state (or several states) and sending it to a very crowded feed lot with a bunch of other pigs from all over is supposed to be healthier for us.