RANT Why do people take on pets/chickens/livestock???

[riane'smimi]

Go back and reread the OPs post .He didn't give her the birds but said he was going to offer them to his landlord, which was why she left the note to landlord saying if he didn't want them she would take and find them homes. The man would not give her the landlord's number.Also explains why she stated she confinscated the silkie. If the man had of gave her the birds she wouldn't have to leave notes nor sneak and take a bird.
Now he did pay the kid $400 to take care of the birds so he may have just been mad and tired of hearing it and said it out of anger.You can get tired of people always harping and trying to tell you what to do .From what I read the OP has been loosing sleep over this 50 year old man having chickens and buying a $800 coop which makes no sense unless she was paying for it.
She was also upset at the man because two chicks from the feedstore died and blamed him for it.
She stated the birds did have food but she took it upon herself to "top" it off and feed them treats.

 

[Ksane]

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The 4 sq ft per bird applies to the COOP, not the run. Their run space is normally quoted as 10 sq ft per bird. So in a 10x10 pen 10 birds would be the max given those numbers.
Also-about the other posts-the owner is gone for 2 months and left a 13 yr old girl in charge of the chickens. The OP has no way to pay him for the Silkie at the moment, he's in another country entirely. The owner in India sounds ignorant (which is different from stupid) and the OP has a heart and feels for the chicken she's always considered her favorite. You can't condemn her for being human or for acting on human emotions. It's what separates us from animals.

 

[dainerra]

umm.. if she went onto someone else's land to liberate their property because she didn't think it was happy, then yes I can fault her for that. Where I'm from, that is called stealing. It's generally illegal.

Again, there are steps to go through to do things the right way. I would assume that since it is a rental that the landlord is over there often for the 2months the tenet is gone keeping an eye on HIS property. what does it matter that the person hired to feed the birds is only 14? We're not talking rocket science here - dump food in the feeder, fill the water, pick up the eggs.

The poo cleanup is a different matter because he told her not to do that. Possibly a reason to call authorities, but again not a reason to steal someone else's property.

The ability to REASON and not act solely on emotion or instinct is the thing that separates us from the animals.

 

[franklinstreetwest]

=Hens & Hounds]To make a very long story longer...I will try to just stick to the facts.

I have a neighbor who I have known about 7 years her now, he is a 50+ year old man from India, he is a home health aid for a handicapped boy & goes to India every winter for 2 months to visit family.

Other cultures view animals (even common pets like cats and dogs) differently than we do. In MANY other countries animals are respected in a different way. India may have different cultural traditions that he was raised with. He probably thinks we are blinkin looney toons for building fancy shmancy coops and runs for any animal!! I bet his family laughs him into shame for spending $1200.00 + on a bunch of silly chickens!!! I bet it was quite a step for him to do something so traditionally "American".

He would yell & scream at me that he always wanted chickens & why must I deny him of them

May I add...he thinks like a child & wants something when HE WANTS IT! So as the months went on the day came in March when he had to go pay the balance of the $800.00 coop he was having built & I had to take him back to that farm AGAIN.....&&&& YUP you guessed it he wondered off away from me & picked out MORE chickens w/ no concern of biosecurity of respect for the chickens he already had or mine either!

Again, a cultural thing....the way that people interact with one-another is different in other cultures. For instance, I worked in a fabric store and we would get a lot of Middle Eastern and Indian people that would buy fabric to make traditional clothing styles...Despite the fact they had a male dominated culture and were in with their husbands, you should have heard the bold (loud at times) verbal debates/arguements they would get in!! AND many of the ladies never assumed that the price on the item was the actual price...EVERYTHING was up for a lively and STERN negotiation! This was at Jo-Ann Fabrics. In their culture you haggle to come to an understanding whether on price or principle. It is just how things are done. His yelling might be both his nature and his culture.

He ended up having 16/17 chickens...I think he has 2 BR hens, 2 BO hens, a breeding pair of millie fluer d'uccle's, 1 white silkie hen, 1 buff silkie rooster, 1 gold laced sebright hen, 1 black bantam cochin hen, 1 white bantam cochin hen, & I think the rest are EE's. I will have to go & take pictures of the coop run & chickens as I can't even remember what he has

The landlord does not seem to mind the chickens too much but I really am not sure what he thinks as he is kinda stand offish & doesn't really talk to me...he did have a huge say in the location where the coop was dropped on delivery day & it is not in the ideal location.

So my neighbor left on Monday for India & said he paid the landlords daughter (12-13 yr old) $400.00 to take care of the chickens telling her just to make sure they have food & water & take the eggs & NOT to worry about cleaning the sand run nor the coop, which is fine if he was using DLB (deep litter bedding) which he is NOT! They have NO roosts but stand/sleep on top of the 12 flat topped nest boxes on raw wood w/ NO bedding which he said he don't want there as they scratch it all over & into their hanging feeder/waterer which sits across from the nest boxes

Sounds like he and the landlord have an understanding, and the daughter was paid VERY well to care for the birds. It sounds like this man has invested quite a lot in the care of 16/17 chickens.


He told me right before he left that he did not want them anymore & to get rid of all of them the coop & the run :O

What prompted him to pay the neighbor girl $400. and then tell YOU to get rid of them all? Were you arguing with him?

I said how much & he said FREE! I said you are a fool you have a lot of $$ invested...as usual he said he didn't care & that he would offer it all to the landlord...which I left a note there saying to whomever is tending this flock if you do not want them or cant get them good homes I will try to find them good homes & left my number.

That may have been a bit rude to tell him he was a fool, don't you think?



On tuesday I drove over there to find the conditions he left the coop in was like what it would smell/look like after 2 months of noone cleaning it! He had no bedding so I had to get back in car & get a bag from my garage & bring it back & I flung it all over the inside of the coop & opened the vents that he had closed...the walls were damp & the humidity was extremely high

Both his inside & outside feeder was only 1/4 full so I topped them off, threw them scratch along w/ a gallon size baggie I brought w/ me of oatmeal, pumpkin seeds, raisins, grapes, cornbread, grated cheese, quinoa, brown rice & mealworms......they were in heaven! He never gave them any treats other than white rice when he made a huge amount for himself for the week

You said yourself that this wasn't your responsibility. It was not your place to do this. Not only that, but it is trespassing! The renter AND the landlord could call the police on YOU!

I looked over all the chickens & the one that was my favorite, a splash silkie that I remembered being all puffy & fuzzy when he got her was now covered in poop/dirt w/ her head fuzz all wet & sticky, her feet clumped w/ poop & shaking in a corner.....so I went back home got a cat carrier filled w/ shavings & confiscated her!

Honey, you stole her. Flat out. I understand that you covet that darling little bird....but she wasn't yours. If you thought that she was in peril, you should have called animal control!!



She was free of mites & lice but I will still have to watch her health for the next month before I can even consider slowly introducing her to my flock...I am hoping that my black & blue silkie which are both broody now will pal around w/ her making us have 11 chickens....wonder what color chicks you get from 2 splashes as my only roo is a splash also ; )

I have a 9x9 converted doll house shed coop & a 20x30 enclosed sand run which should be roomy enough to add another silkie to.

You clearly love this little doll, and she IS DARLING...but she is not your bird.

Sooooo, w/ all this rambling I am now faced w/ what to do w/ the remaining 16 chickens, coop & run

I have not gone to his house to check on them yet & even though it really is not my responsibility they are NOT out of site out of mind : ( I am somewhat of a control freak & I just can't sleep not knowing if something goes wrong there like the 60 watt black heat lamp that is hanging w/ an extension cord has dust on it & starts a fire cause we are going down to freezing all this week

There are 16 birds that roost together AND he provides them with a heat lamp??!! Seriously...I have 6 birds in my garage, I live in Michigan where it drops into the negative temps, and I have NEVER given them a heat lamp. There isn't anything for you to do. It is not for YOU to control. If you believe the lives of the birds are at risk, CALL ANIMAL CONTROL and stay on your own property.

I am waiting for a phone call from the landlord since they read my note so I know what my next actions should be & even if they wanted the chickens for the coop & run that flock needs to trimmed down...there is too heavy of a BIOLOAD on that coop & run : ( Your Opinion

If you really love this one bird in particular, perhaps you could tell him that you saw she was not doing well, and took her in to make sure she did not become ill. DO NOT accuse him of being negligent! APPOLOGIZE for taking her and ask if he would consider selling her to you? If the rest of the birds lives are in danger, call animal control and they will assess the situation from a rational and unbiased perspective.

Just my humble opinion.​

 

[riane'smimi]

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The 4 sq ft per bird applies to the COOP, not the run. Their run space is normally quoted as 10 sq ft per bird. So in a 10x10 pen 10 birds would be the max given those numbers.
Also-about the other posts-the owner is gone for 2 months and left a 13 yr old girl in charge of the chickens. The OP has no way to pay him for the Silkie at the moment, he's in another country entirely. The owner in India sounds ignorant (which is different from stupid) and the OP has a heart and feels for the chicken she's always considered her favorite. You can't condemn her for being human or for acting on human emotions. It's what separates us from animals.

The 13 year old girl is the landlord's daughter ,who also has least 1 chicken . Just because the man loves his family and goes overseas to see them does in no shape or form make him ignorant.There was nothing the OP posted that leads me to believe it's alright to hound somebody then turn around and take his chicken.The only human emotion I detect from her is the one from the "GREEN EYE MONSTER" you know the one "turns green with envy" she seemed more upset that he paid over $1000 to house his birds and the fact that he went overseas than anything else. Believe me those chickens don't need him home keeping them company .
If what you say is true though then it's ok for all of us to just take any bird that we want as long as the owner is on vacation. We all have feelings and we all have our favorite birds.

 

[riane'smimi]

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If you really love this one bird in particular, perhaps you could tell him that you saw she was not doing well, and took her in to make sure she did not become ill. DO NOT accuse him of being negligent! APPOLOGIZE for taking her and ask if he would consider selling her to you? If the rest of the birds lives are in danger, call animal control and they will assess the situation from a rational and unbiased perspective.

Just my humble opinion.

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[RHRanch]

riane'smimi :

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If you really love this one bird in particular, perhaps you could tell him that you saw she was not doing well, and took her in to make sure she did not become ill. DO NOT accuse him of being negligent! APPOLOGIZE for taking her and ask if he would consider selling her to you? If the rest of the birds lives are in danger, call animal control and they will assess the situation from a rational and unbiased perspective.

Just my humble opinion.

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[desertdarlene]

Hens & Hounds :

He told me right before he left that he did not want them anymore & to get rid of all of them the coop & the run :O
I said how much & he said FREE! I said you are a fool you have a lot of $$ invested...as usual he said he didn't care & that he would offer it all to the landlord...which I left a note there saying to whomever is tending this flock if you do not want them or cant get them good homes I will try to find them good homes & ...

It sounds like he offered them to her, first, and if she wasn't interested, he would give them to the landlord. It also sounds like she would have offered to pay for them too. It's possible he thought she wasn't interested because she called him a fool, but left for India without working something definite. I agree with returning the bird and apologizing and perhaps working out a deal to take them all.​

 

[Knock Kneed Hen]

I read it and got the impression that he didn't care, told her she could have them all or do whatever she wants with them. I'd ask the landlord if he minded if you took a few, wouldn't specify. Then take a couple more, find them good homes. Go back later and ask if he has any more he'd like to get rid of and if he says to take them then by all means, take them and find them homes. I doubt if AC would bother with a bunch of chickens. I'm like you, I wouldn't rest until I knew that they were ok.

 

[riane'smimi]

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SO if I wanted my friends chickens all I have to do is wait until they go on vacation drive over and take one ,then go back and try for some more .You know just to find them good homes.
Heck we already know the man spent around $1600 on his birds just to house them and make sure they were taken care of while he was away.He even had the nerve to give chickens a heat lamp.They need rescued right away , what nerve he has. It all started when he bought 4 chicks after being told he couldn't by his (gulp) friend . He even got upset wanting to know why his "friend" wanted to deny him having chickens ,he always wanted them .She has bothered him about chickens since day one when he had just 4.She also openly admitted she was a
control freak and it shows throughout her post. And I am sorry 16 chickens isn't that many.
Maybe somebody should call AC or the local police ,and I am thinking the Landlord should place the call.
If he gave her the birds she would of strolled over and got them ,she didn't.She placed a note on landlord's door ,why you may ask? She didn't own the birds.
It is wrong to steal and you shouldn't pat them on the back and tell them it was the right thing to do and go back for more. The OWNER has rights ,they are HIS birds on his PROPERTY.
I would never treat my friends like that ,then come to a puplic forum to find somebody to tell me I was in the right.
It is not ok to take anothers birds or anything else just because you don't like the fact that he has them.There is no law in the USA saying you have to feed chickens treats and there is no crime in giving them rice once a week.It is a crime to trespass and one for taking what isn't yours.
If I was OP I would take the bird back and not bother the people again.tell them you was just visiting because you had scraps for the birds and became concern over the one ,took it home to clean it up and now you are returning it. If nobody is home just place the bird back in her coop.
Now if the landlord calls you and says take the birds then you can do whatever you want as LONG as the landlord has written permission from owner ,If not leave the man's birds where they are.