RANT Why do people take on pets/chickens/livestock???

[rancher hicks]

we DO NOT believe in chicken math! We take in only what we can handle & are not animal hoarders! If we feel we can't provide the best possible husbandry for an animal we don't have it!

Please do not try to make this about someone else. This is about you and your friend. Only two things are relevant here.

One, he has chickens.

Two, he is not taking care of them properly.

Doesn't matter how he got them or who got them or where he lives or whether he is your friend your brother or what ever.

The only thing that matters is these poor helpless animals are being neglected.

It seems to me you have three options.

One, call the authorities and have them take the chickens away to a safe place.

Two , get in writing that your friend does not want the chickens, assuming you can contact him in India, and sell or give away the chickens to a safe place.

Three, go over and take care of the chickens yourself.

It's really not that complicated.

Rancher

 

[Mattemma]

If you feel it is wrong to turn him in then you should just go tend to his animals. If he is child like and you have to tend to his bills and driving you should consider becoming his legal guardian. It sounds like he does not *learn* despite your lessons on various things,so you either have to care for him or find someone who will.

I guess I just don't really understand what you wanted, because one one hand you say how irresponsible he is,and on the other you say he just can not help it because he is child-like. Did you just want to vent about the care he requires(like caring for a demetia patient),but not actually make any changes?

Regardless, I hope things work out for the animals! I would still rehome them to better homes,not make a point of them and force him to deal with them. He doesn't sound like the type who would care. The thrill of owning them is over.

 

[stormylady]

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The 4 sq ft per bird applies to the COOP, not the run. Their run space is normally quoted as 10 sq ft per bird. So in a 10x10 pen 10 birds would be the max given those numbers.
Also-about the other posts-the owner is gone for 2 months and left a 13 yr old girl in charge of the chickens. The OP has no way to pay him for the Silkie at the moment, he's in another country entirely. The owner in India sounds ignorant (which is different from stupid) and the OP has a heart and feels for the chicken she's always considered her favorite. You can't condemn her for being human or for acting on human emotions. It's what separates us from animals.

No but the courts could! It is against the law to steal, and that is, what is, good intentions don't make it right! She should have called the authorities and let them decide if the chickens were being ill cared for. And then after she did her part stay at home and tend to her own birds.

From what I understood, he said he would let the landlord decide what to do with the birds, not her. ???
The OP said that the landlord lived directly behind the old guy right? but she said the man didn't give her the landlords phone #. But she knew where he lived she could have gone up and knocked on the Landlords door and asked about them, but she didn't she left a note on the coop for whoever was caring for the chickens? and she STOLED the chicken.

I had a dog, that was 20 yrs old exactly I have a reg. vet , the dog was up on his shots, he was as healthy as a 20 yr old Dog could be, but he was thin and on his way out of this life, it was my choice to let him die here at home, where he had lived his whole life, anyway "good deed doers" called the pound and the city alot, the pound guy told me too many people watch the animal planet and think there doing the right thing, he was really nice and told me to take Chance my dog to the vet again and get a letter from her and have her send one to the city and one to the pound so that if they got more calls about him they would know not to bother coming out to the house anymore, and I didn't have anymore problems, but before that happened some do gooders stole him out of my back yard and took him to the pound and turned him in , said they found him wandering, which was a lie, because he had a c-clamp on his chain that you had to use pliers to get loose, no way he could have got that off hisself, it wound up costing me over 200. to get him out of the pound and bring him back home. So that he could pass at home with us -his family!

I respected the people who called the pound to come check him out, I couldn't stand the people that just wouldn't mind there own bussiness after that.

None of this makes any sense to me, sounds like she just needed to get in somebody elses bussiness. And it sounds to me that the OP just insinuated herself in his life so she could have something to gripe about.

Hate to say it but my mother was the same way , she would help you out , then tell ya what you should do, and if you didn't she made your life miserable. JMHO

 

[luvinmychickens]

You did the right thing to take her.

Lovey is a cutie!!

 

[RHRanch]

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[riane'smimi]

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I went back and reread the first post and she said he CLEANED the coop every two or three days and has sand down .Said they didn't have bedding to sleep but had to sleep on wood up on the nests.Chickens roost ,that means they do not sleep in bedding except for silkies which do not fly.Which explains why the silkie had poop on her.She laid under the roosting chickens and they pooped on her.Her complaint was the the kid may not clean the coop while he was away.
Yes they need ventilation so good thing she opened it up.The kid may not of known this.
If you are so worried about it go over and talk to the landlord and the kid .Help her in learning how to care for chickens instead of bashing her and your friend.Kids love chickens and they don't look at it as a job to care for them.If they have a rooster then they like them. You might be happier yourself knowing you did a good deed instead of causeing another grief . Oh and return the chicken ,it's not yours. If you want her ,ask for her.
Read the post above where the lady suffered worrying over her dog that was old and ready to pass and people that watched too much animal planet stoled her dog and she still forked over $200 so her dog could pass at home.Don't judge people just because you want to humaneize animals and be patted on the back for causeing another humane suffering.
And alot of the time you cause harm to the animal also, as in the case of the dying dog above.That poor dog was old and to be taken to the pound had to of had an affect on the poor thing and not a pleasant one.
Think before you do

 

[franklinstreetwest]

It doesn't sound like you really wanted to LISTEN to the opinions of others. It sounds like you're convinced in your own actions. It is certainly a shade of grey calling the authorities on a loved one. But if that person is a legal danger to others and the wards that they keep, then there comes a time when that is the responsible course of action.

I have a friend who is a hoarder....she is compulsive, she wastes money so frivolously that it turns my stomach. She can't manage her bills (IMO), she gets taken advantage of by cell phone companies and corporations that try to sell her services she doesn't need (IMO). She seems child-like and nieve at times to me(IMO). She is a 53 year old woman who has brain damage from a massive stroke in her 40's that left her paralyzed comepletely for months. Her doctors use her like a guinnea pig (IMO), she trusts them implicitly, she smokes and is on antibiotics constantly, she doesn't eat vegetables, and has heart problems that are compounded by her poor diet....aaargh!!!!

She is a WONDERFUL, WARM, CARING, DEVOTED friend. She is an amazing person in other ways. I get all uppity about how she lives her life. I catch myself at it, BECAUSE I want the best for her....but it is .....and here's the key point

ONLY MY OPINION!!!!!!!

She is happy with her life. She is happy with what she gets out of it, and the things that she experiences and the people that she gets to share it with. If she wants to spend $300 at Goodwill on a 30" flat screen T.V. that weighs 150 pounds and is 15 years old INSTEAD of going to Best Buy and buying a brand new Flat Panel that is the same size for the same price or less....it's her adventure. Not mine. She is happy with her T.V. If she wants to "waste" $30 on miniature lights for making faux fabrage' eggs (incidently a project I know she did once before I met her over a decade ago but hasn't done since) that is her perogative. I mentioned she's a hoarder....I can't stay in her house long....I own the house, I bought it and financed the land contract for her because the banks denied her based on her horrible credit (A long story there, won't bore you all more). I knew these things about her going in.

At the end of the day when I get all opinionated about how she makes a butt-load more money than me and is way older and supposed to be responsible and can't seem to do anything "right".......I remember that she is a grown woman that has SOMEHOW managed to survive as an adult for longer than I've been alive. AND SOMEHOW she managed to do that without my help. AAAAAND on top of that, she has come through that life surrounded by people that speak highly of her and LOVE her. AAAAND....this one reminds me to shut up and mind my own business....

She has NEVER ONCE judged me, or thrown in my face the stupid decisions that I have made, or the horrible ways I have behaved AT HER and to others. She has always been a good friend, sung my praises, bit her tongue and supported me by offering help but not imposing it.

-- I don't know how this man managed to make it a scant 57 years without you??!!?? It's just a miracle. He is a grown man. You are not his mother... you see a child because it is what you choose to see. Take off those rose colored glasses.

I've been curious about this since the beginning of the post....Are you a Vegan??

 

[SkyWarrior]

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Sorry but no they don't. Not when it comes to the care or lack there of , regarding animals. Or their children for that matter. This attitude is so wrong. Leaving chickens to live in their own feces is cruel. Not to mention unhealthy for humans too.


Rancher

Uh, did you read my post?

Actually, they do. If they're not breaking the law, they do have the right to live their life the way they see fit, regardless of what you think. Last time I checked, this was a free country. Probably less so now.

Thankfully I live in Montana where we still believe in freedoms. Seeing as something as fundamental as individual rights is under attack, I'm probably unsubscribing from this post.

Basically, what I hear is 1. This guy doesn't have the right to dispose of his property as he sees fit within confines of the law. And 2. People have the right to tell a grown adult what to do with his life and property beyond legal issues. Do I like what he did or how he behaves? No, I don't. But it's not my place, and surprise, it's not anyone elses' either. If, under the law, he's abusing or neglecting animals, then yeah, arrest him. But just because he doesn't care for his animals the way the OP cares for hers is immaterial. She doesn't like it? Drop him as a friend. Period.

Is he childlike? Well, at some point he has to grow up. And unless he's legally determined unfit to handle his own affairs, leave him alone.

 

[riane'smimi]

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AMEN !!!!!!!!!!! Great post and that's the way life should be lived .Respect others and their way of life .

 

[SkyWarrior]

riane'smimi :

AMEN !!!!!!!!!!! Great post and that's the way life should be lived .Respect others and their way of life .

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