Raw goat's milk RAVE

[BeardedChick]

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I have read this same information and am not disagreeing with MP, but have to wonder...

How did all the children survive on raw milk before pasturization? I still know lots of families that have never bought store milk, and wouldn't think to pasturize the milk their youngsters drink.

I'll have to ask my mom, but I bet we had raw milk when I was a baby.

Is it because we grow up in a farm environment and are exposed to all sorts of bacteria that kids raised in 'cleaner' environments are not exposed to???

 

[MissPrissy]

There wasn't nearly the disease and harmful bacteria factors that have become more common these days. Also, as with honey, there was a very long time where science could not pinpoint the area of contamination that started the spread of some illnesses and issues.

Think about the time when people did not think to even wash their hands before performing a surgery on someone.

We are dealing with super bugs that have mutated and evolved over time.

After all the years we were given aspirin as kids who would have ever thought rheye syndrome would arise and cause the death of so many children?

 

[ksacres]

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I will say only this:

If you have your livestock tested for all the biggies: John's, TB, and CAE, keep them on grass pastures, keep your utensils sterilized and milk area clean, I would have no issues giving raw milk to children.

Pastuerization came about before general good hygiene practices were in place and BEFORE refridgerated trucks were around. Was it a good idea then? Sure-people needed milk that wasn't spoiled. Now, for a personal use type situation? Not so much...

Simple experiment:

Take a cup of cows' milk from the store and set it on the counter.
Take a cup of raw milk from a goat (or cow) and set it on the counter.

Leave it 24 hours.

Do a sniff test. The store milk will be rotten and rancid. The raw will still smell fine. Wanna know why? The raw milk has GOOD and bad bacteria. The pastuerized stuff only has BAD. The GOOD stuff will keep the BAD stuff in check and the milk will go sour naturally (which means you can make soured products out of it, like sour cream, buttermilk, etc). Checks and balances people, checks and balances.

 

[Chicken Fruit]

Theres more diseases in herds today because of the way the animals are kept. years ago animals were on pasture when not in the milking parlor. There were usually a dozen or two animals tops- and were thus kept in cleaner conditions. I know because I grew up on a small dairy farm- I was the third generation.

These big farms today that produce the bulk of our milk are disgusting. The animals eat disgusting feeds, they stand knee deep in filth, dragging their udders with them, and never come into contact with UV rays.

if you kept a clean dairy animal or two at home, and kept them clean and disease free you'd have very little to worry about with your milk.

Milk was meant to be used raw- but it was also meant to be used within the span of a single day. If its going to sit around longer than that its just good practice to heat it.

I dont think any of it can safely be generalized, you'd have to know the animal, the process, and the small details of the history of your milk in order to feel comfortable drinking raw, or only comfortable pasturizing it.

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

remember also that a lot of the world drinks non-pasteurized milk - or at least used to. when i was traveling in europe that was mostly what they had.

and my sis-in-law and brother had unpasteurized yak milk in the golbi! hee hee i'm guessing those folks are doing just fine too

the hard thing for me is that we have the illusion that ALL food has to be 100% 'safe' but geez.. not sure how you can have that guarantee. and dont forget that the producers can do all they can but mistakes, mishaps, and 'user error' happen.

so to give the finger (as it were) to all the unbelievers and naysayers that recoil in horror at all this raw food - i used raw goat milk and eggs from my hens to make custard! and i didnt die!

however when i got a value meal at the local "botulism-n-ptomaine" drive thru - i was down for 3 days.

what are you gonna do?
;-)

 

[StoneBridge Farm]

ok. So I am getting a few Nubians. I have ad goats before, but I have neveer milked them. I am really wanting to do this. I am glad I ran into this thread because that is the one thing that keeps going through my head...to pasteurize of not.

So heating it will chase off the good and bad bacteria?
And it changes the flavor??

I do have kids but the youngest is 3. I am not on any meds that supress the immune system.. and we are 30ish.. so it would be ok to drink raw???

The whole thing just confuses me.

 

[ksacres]

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Yes and yes.

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

yes and yes and its a 'mommy decision' and entirely your call. there are a ton of different opinions out there so you just need to weed thru it.

milk that goat baby!

 

[miss_thenorth]

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haven't read all the posts yet, but I read somewhere that even cow's milk can be drank (drunk?) by lactose intolerant ppl, if it is NOT pasteurized. Apparently, from what I read, heating it up destroys natural enzymes that help digest the lactose. But, yes, lactose intolerant ppl have a much easier time with goats milk--even if it is pasteurized.

 

[jambunny]

I have goats and cows and definantly prefer goat milk. My granddaughter drinks goat milk raw. She has terrible food allergies and the processing used in store bought milk causes her to have major skin issues. I recently had a doctor who was thrilled we used raw milk. He was raised on raw goat milk. The whey from the cheese really makes my chickens lay.