Recessive wheaten question

[saladin]

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Other than the White sport the only other thing I have ever had that I didn't make myself as a sport was my Ginger Reds. I do periodically still get them from Wheaten to Wheaten breedings.

Because the Cubalaya Wheaten does not match the other Oriental Wheatens (the female should be cinnamon: my preference is 'burnt brick red') it has been suggested by some that it is not Wheaten at all. But instead another color that should be rightly called Cinnamon. Not only is the coloration of the female different, but the male coloration is also different. In Oriental Wheaten the male hackle is Maroon; not so the Cubalaya. A proper Cubalaya male hackle should shade to golden where the hackle drapes over the shoulders. No other Oriental has this shading. It is simply not to be seen in the Malay, Shamo or Asil.

The Cubalayas from Horst Schmudde often show males with solid Maroon hackles. This is because Schmudde put Shamo in his line over 40 years ago. It still shows up in the line.

 

[gallorojo]

Thanks, again, Saladin. Great responses as well.

I think I've almost burned myself out on thinking about it all...

So, it seems this is one of the most interesting colors to work with out there!!! It may never be 100% predictable, but it will still be enjoyable to work with.

 

[tadkerson]

Saladin,

Sounds like you have an undocumented gene or gene interaction that has appeared in your birds. It would be a novel gene or gene interaction that works similar to dominant white. It would require test mating and keeping records of chick down phenotypes and chick adult phenotypes to determine if the allele is found at the c locus or if it is another gene all together, etc.

Tim

 

[nicalandia]

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are you talking about Ginger? because Columbian like restrictors like Co and Db are dominant... pherhaps an undocumented Recessive columbian like restrictor?



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seems like working with Cubayalas is the most exciting thing....

you will never know what to expect on every hatch....

 

[cubakid]

nicalandia, i am not 100% sure about Saladins Ginger Reds but i would think you could breed for more and more red in the chest in a few generations. Im also quite positive that Saladin has no Ginger Red females. Wheaten cubalayas tend to get slight reddening in the brest(which is why we use the females with the smutty black on them) Ginger Reds might be able to be produced by breeding the more red brested males to maybe one of the lighter color females with no smutting on them, of course im not nearly as experienced with genetics as any of you (im still a junior showman for several years) and with breeding the Cubalayas like Saladin, but common sence points me to this possibility.

Zach

 

[tadkerson]

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Wheaten female that would carry columbian and you would see a change in their wheaten color to a ginger color- and yes they would tend to be a lighter bird with no smut. Males that have the ginger in the breast only are most likely heterozygous columbian. If you mate the two together you should get some homozygous wheatens that would be ginger colored and columbian restricted. They would be homozygous.

Tim

 

[Henk69]

In my experience one dose of columbian is very visible.
Maybe not all bodypattern is removed but the groundcolor should be affected.
On males it is almost as strong as double dose.
Db is another story.

 

[saladin]

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That's the way it's done. You just choose a female that has a really light colored breast and is a good deep reddish cinnamon color on top. I'll try to post pictures of what the males look like in a couple of hours.

 

[saladin]

Ginger Red Cubalaya

 

[nicalandia]

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Amazing bird.. I would love to see a front side pic of him, seems like his chest also affected by Mahogany, so lovely... I believe is Db and Mahogany working together with eWheaten..