Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

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Haha that's really funny they are opposites!

Oh and I LOVE Chocobo's coloring, I think she is gorgeous! She reminds me of a Barvelder with the double lacing. PRETTY! Oh and she is HUGE. Very tall and thick!

So far I am really pleased with them. They are all REALLY big with nice wide backs and chests. Spot and Big Red are the biggest by far. If I didn't know any better I would have thought spot was a pure cornish, LOL!

The only one that fell behind was big blue, he's just as stocky but a lot shorter than the others.

They aren't OVERLY friendly like my Ameraucanas, but I can go in there and feed them and pick them up without too much fuss.

 

[knjinnm]

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Hi,
Yes you can breed siblings to each other but remember you will get some throwbacks to the parent types so it all comes back to hatching a large quantity of chicks and ruthless culling/selecting.
I would, as Al, Katy, WMR and Steve are doing, create two or three lines starting with your DC rooster with different Australorp (or other breeds) hens and then select the best chicks from those pairings to continue your breeding program.

Joe

 

[SteveH]

Would crossing siblings be OK for one generation?

Yes; but the downside of crossing full siblings is that: 1. The even closer possible genetic relationship [compared to parent x offspring] may increase the chance of hidden genetic flaws being expressed in the offspring. 2. The offspring's genes may pair up to reproduce a near copy of one of the two breeds used in the cross, which may not be the goal.

Without intensive linebreeding or some inbreeding, wanted traits are nearly impossible to establish; but it also tends to uncover some hidden genetic defects, plus a general decrease in size and vigor if unrelated individuals are not introduced eventually. Uncovering the hidden genetic flaws is a good thing, as those individuals carrying the traits can then be eliminated, but IMO new blood should always be added after a period of time to add or renew vigor.​

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

My Freedom Rangers came today!!!

YAYY!!!!!! Oh and more pullet eggs from my Red Broilers!!! WOOHOO!!!!



Question for you guys; I have a young, but really big heritage Delaware rooster, he's tall and has big bones, but not a lot of meat on him yet. My red broiler girls have a lot of meat but are small. Would it be wise to cross these two and save the offspring for crossing with Katy's birds. -OR- Should I cross the red broiler girls with a red broiler boy, who is also small but meaty...? What would you do?


TIA!

 

[NevadaRon]

Funny you should ask! I'm picking up a couple of Del girls that I was planning to cross with either a Freedom Ranger or

one of Katy's Idaho Red Rangers. It sounds like a winner but

as I'm a total newb at this.

 

[chickened]

How many generations should one wait or do you wait for some abnormal defect then introduce new blood?
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Yes; but the downside of crossing full siblings is that: 1. The even closer possible genetic relationship [compared to parent x offspring] may increase the chance of hidden genetic flaws being expressed in the offspring. 2. The offspring's genes may pair up to reproduce a near copy of one of the two breeds used in the cross, which may not be the goal.

Without intensive linebreeding or some inbreeding, wanted traits are nearly impossible to establish; but it also tends to uncover some hidden genetic defects, plus a general decrease in size and vigor if unrelated individuals are not introduced eventually. Uncovering the hidden genetic flaws is a good thing, as those individuals carrying the traits can then be eliminated, but IMO new blood should always be added after a period of time to add or renew vigor.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

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I have 4 Delaware hens, and this HUGE Deli rooster, and they are by far the biggest chickens I have, not the meatiest but they have some good size to them. This Delaware rooster is the biggest guy on my farm at the moment and he's only 6 months old.

 

[NevadaRon]

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I have 4 Delaware hens, and this HUGE Deli rooster, and they are by far the biggest chickens I have, not the meatiest but they have some good size to them. This Delaware rooster is the biggest guy on my farm at the moment and he's only 6 months old.

Yeah their size is why I was thinking they would make a good cross with a fast grower.

 

[SteveH]

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Yes; but the downside of crossing full siblings is that: 1. The even closer possible genetic relationship [compared to parent x offspring] may increase the chance of hidden genetic flaws being expressed in the offspring. 2. The offspring's genes may pair up to reproduce a near copy of one of the two breeds used in the cross, which may not be the goal.

Without intensive linebreeding or some inbreeding, wanted traits are nearly impossible to establish; but it also tends to uncover some hidden genetic defects, plus a general decrease in size and vigor if unrelated individuals are not introduced eventually. Uncovering the hidden genetic flaws is a good thing, as those individuals carrying the traits can then be eliminated, but IMO new blood should always be added after a period of time to add or renew vigor.


IMO, breeding is more of an art than a science; knowing just when or if to introduce new blood would be the breeder's choice, and based on more than one factor. You might want to do a search for "spiral breeding"; it may be of benefit if you 'get in and stay in' at breeding.
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[MobyQuail]

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Bantam Cornish, for my limited experience of seeing them, are typier than many hatchery based large fowl Cornish, and I've always been curious how they would produce if crossed on large fowl. Please let us know how this works out.

Started the Bantam Cornish Project @ 0900 this morning. They are still in QT. Getting an egg a day from them and setting them.

pretty much all scrap so far, may go buy 20 or so 2x4 and knock it out.

buried concrete and railroad ties around the perimeter. will reinforce the outside with field fence, what else to keep the HULK in?