Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[heritagehabitatfarms]

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looks great...

i have allways wondered y there is not a black cornish... i really like the looks of them... if you ever find your projects going in a different direction let me know ill gladly keep the blacks going for you

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

There are so many side projects a person could take off with that come up in projects like this. A dream situation would be to hook up with a multi millionaire with an interest in such things, have the buildings, and staff to handle all this, and be the resident mad scientist.

im still hoping to win the powerball lol... but yep i love projects never know how they will tern out and its a chalenge like know other...

 

[kfacres]

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Not sure what to make of the color of that cockerel. He's blue. Does he show much red ? How about his chest ? Looks to be single laced. I'd like to see some more shots of him, if possible. That's half the fun with a project like this, sometimes you just roll the dice and see what you get.

Single laced yes- red coming through on the check- nope.

He has very little red on him- just a little on the wings, and maybe in the hackles (if they're in yet)? Not much, if any on the rest of the body. Like I said, he's so danged wild, I tried for over an hour to get this one picture of him; but now that I have them in the larger run I should be able to snap that picture better. It obviously won't be as much of a closeup as this= but my camera does have a zoom...

Yes Steve, I do call him a Black laced Blue/ with some red coming through-- his blue comes in stronger and stronger every day.... Like you, when I picked him up; I thought there was a chance, but had my doubts. My wifey still calls him the black one.. She just doesn't see any blue in him I've been gone since Monday, and will return Thur night-- I know how much he's changed in the last 2 weeks.. so I can't wait to see what he's done this week.

Pretty danged excited.....

 

[SteveH]

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I'm going to have to see if I can find an earlier picture of him, because I remember him as having wings that appeared black laced red. Black laced blue is descriptive but not a color. There is self blue, whick looks very much like lavender, and blue.................. sometimes called Andalusia blue. Most blue varieties of breeds are supposed to be Andalusia blue, and each blue feather on the body should be slate gray with true black edge around it............... the head and neck would be beetle sheen black on males as well as some patterning of solid black. You seldom see birds here in the U.S. that are good examples of it, other than show quality Andalusians. I'll see if I can find a picture that demonstrates it.

A link to some good examples http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...a=X&ei=8OdwTq2QGIHpsQKcrejlCQ&ved=0CBUQ9QEwAQ

I only found one picture of him at an earlier age, much to dark to post. In it he had what looked to be black laced red back and wings and a dull black breast and neck. Just goes to show how unobservant I can be, because it had never entered my consciousness that the other two had black laced red breasts and he never. All at that time were dark enough that I thought none were blue. Here's an early picture of his single laced brother and double black laced red sister; he was hideing.

Her double laceing is not true, or complete; and I should have noticed even back then that his laceing was blue, but thought it was just dull black. IMO your cockeral is probably best described in genetic terms as incomplete blue laced red.

 

[big medicine]

There seems to be many degrees of "tweeners" kind of a grey area between single laced, double laced, and even partridge. Which when crossed seem to have the ability to occasionally produce any of the three patterns as well as more tweeners, depending how the dice land.

Steve I like the stance on that young double laced pullet in the photo, she still look pretty typey ?

 

[kfacres]

Yes, I still think we're on the same page on the bird... He's got red showing through on the wings and back.. nothing compared to your two most recently pictured...

If you say that most blue birds will in fact be laced with black, or grey.. Then I think you hit this cat on the head... He's an interesting color combo; that I have never seen... Incomplete blue laced red makes the most sense.... He's just got a tad red, mostly blue; but with black lacing...

Maybe using him on the WLR females, will help bring out that red base color more? We'll just have to wait and see- more like wait, wait, and wait more...

Like I said Steve, I had a terrible time trying to picture him-- he's just too danged shy!!

 

[SteveH]

Some DC pullets, I think all between 8 and 11 weeks.

 

[kfacres]

They have the 'stance'.. and the 'shank'....

 

[SteveH]

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Yes she does Gary, pretty much blends with the DCs except for her color; the laceing comes to a point on the body areas where the DC's laceing is rounded. I believe the oldest DCs are about a week younger than the chicks I hatched from your eggs, and the DCs are starting to get the abrupt square width at the shoulders where as the project chicks are wide at the shoulder but more gradual, or rounded, into the shoulder and upper body width. I'm not sure if this is structural or if it's that the project chicks just have slightly fuller, softer feathering in that area.

ETA: Another difference is that the DCs and the project chicks must have different base color genotypes. All of the DCs had those light colored feathers, seen on the wings of the youngest of those three pullets pictured above, when I got them. The chicks from your breeding never had them that I recall, and these are the first really young purebreds I've seen, so I asked the bantam breeder if it was normal. LOL He told me that there was a technical term for the chick color that he couldn't remember, but both bantam and large fowl DCs should have it as babies.

 

[SteveH]

Gary, I keep going back to look at a couple of whites and the black chick off your project.

I see the black has a lot of black pigment on the legs and feet. How difficult will it be to breed for a clean yellow shank on the B/B/S; and where is this color coming from?

 

[SteveH]

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Actually I was saying the opposite; too few birds show the true color that the standard for blue calls for. I've yet to see a Blue Ameraucana that was the correct color. I suspect the patterning gene that the project Cornish have might be useful in developing a proper blue, though the single lace would be the one if I'm correct in my guess.

As far as a blue laced red Cornish goes, I'm not sure whether the double laced or single laced is more beautiful to me. I think if I had both colors bred and up to type, and decided to show as an AOV Cornish at a sanctioned event, I would enter the single laced as a blue laced red. Not even sure what to call the other, which a cross to my darks will aim me towards.............. blue jubilee?