Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[kfacres]

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Actually I was saying the opposite; too few birds show the true color that the standard for blue calls for. I've yet to see a Blue Ameraucana that was the correct color. I suspect the patterning gene that the project Cornish have might be useful in developing a proper blue, though the single lace would be the one if I'm correct in my guess.

As far as a blue laced red Cornish goes, I'm not sure whether the double laced or single laced is more beautiful to me. I think if I had both colors bred and up to type, and decided to show as an AOV Cornish at a sanctioned event, I would enter the single laced as a blue laced red. Not even sure what to call the other, which a cross to my darks will aim me towards.............. blue jubilee?

according to laws of thought... blue jubilee should be much harder to create-- and to me- if you could perfect that color on a single bird... you might have a keeper... Of course, I doubt it will breed on true- but how many great colored birds do?

 

[big medicine]

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Yeah, this is uncharted territory for me as well. My suspition is the solid blues originated from a couple white hens we brought in that had a slightly green cast to their legs. They were brought in as youngsters hoping to get a white male a couple years ago, all ended up to be pullets. If one had been male, we would likely not be having this conversation now. Breeding last years blue male to the greenish legged whites and the blue pullet produced this years blacks and blue. I suspect these birds are E based verses the e^b I figure the rest to be. There does seem to be considerably more leg pigment in the females.

 

[SteveH]

I suspect these birds are E based verses the e^b I figure the rest to be

I was told by another that DCs are wheaten at the E locus. Is this correct? Wouldn't that make DCs "E^Wh/E^WH" , and Whites ideally the same with "c/c" added? I remember reading the Whites were originally developed off the Darks with a White Malay cross, but would imagine many have since "improoved" them or "created" their own.​

 

[big medicine]

Your guess is as good as mine on that. The only thing I can say with complete confidence is we are dealing with c (recessive white) here. I am curious what what all may result when mixing white laced reds, which I understand are l (dominant white), with the blue laced reds.

 

[SteveH]

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If I had WLRCs I would use them. The only two WLRs I own are a result of a decent DC over hatchery sourced WLRs. The one I think's a cockeral has some dark bleed on the white laceing behind the head. They should produce 25% blue laced off the cockeral from you, because they only have one copy for white; but their type is pretty poor and their laceing's a bit muddled. I intend them only as a cross on CX or Ameraucanas, because they do have some serious breast meat. I also have a jet black EE cockeral resulting from a DC X Black Ameraucana, but of course he's muffed/bearded and no Cornish type or look to his head at all. [The Bramah blood your crosses carry doesn't hurt the heads at all.]

ETA Kfacres has the other DC crossed WLRs I bred, and a blue and red cockeral

 

[kfacres]

update and pictures coming tommorrow on my BLR k.

He's got a few red based feathers on his back, and under his wings... but for the most part he's blue all the way through...

Had a little scare with the terd tonight while catching him to picture... He's so danged wild...

 

[kfacres]

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I find my self doing the same, time and time again... but in my case it's the whites and the splashed colored birds that make my mouth water and bring a smile about..

Gary or Steve, what would you think about the WLR x BLR as being a possible for some splashed colored birds? I can't say I know what that genetic combo really works...

 

[big medicine]

To my way of thinking, you have to recieve a copy of blue from each parent to get a splash.

 

[big medicine]

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Could be double laced.

 

[SteveH]

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I find my self doing the same, time and time again... but in my case it's the whites and the splashed colored birds that make my mouth water and bring a smile about..

Gary or Steve, what would you think about the WLR x BLR as being a possible for some splashed colored birds? I can't say I know what that genetic combo really works...

From what I've learned by reading, and a little experience, blue is a dilutant gene that works only on black. Its an incomplete dominate, so inheriting one copy from each parent gives the offspring two copies and it appears splash, inheriting only one copy ditutes the offspring to blue. Its possible a bird carrying dominate white could also be carrying blue underneath it; but I'm nearly positive the WLRs from me aren't.
Here's the way it's supposed to work.
Splash mated to splash = 100% splash
Blue mated to black = 50 % blue, 50% black
Blue mated to blue = 25 % black, 50% blue, 25% splash
Splash mated to black = 100% blue
Splash mated to blue = 50% blue, 50% splash

Since your WLRs carry one copy of dominate white instead of two, when crossed to the blue male that's with them, only 50% of the offspring will be patterned in white [though the white may be showing spots of black or blue.............. could even look just a little like splash] The other half will not inherit dominate white, so half of them will be black, the other half blue. Their patterning, or lack of it, is totally over my head.