Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[SteveH]

Have not posted in a while, not digging the new and improved BYC one bit. When you type as slow as I do and still have to wait for it to appear on the page, that is slow.

The second cockerel, judging by the photos, should be referred to as gold instead of red. Does not appear to be carrying mahogany. Would like to see him in person in the sunlight to be sure, but appears not to be blue. Do not normally see that green sheen on on these guys if they are packing blue.

The third cockerel is a better red, and is blue. Now to his pattern, with the predominately solid blue chest, he looks to be a tweener, not single laced,
probably closer to double laced. The difference between these two patterns is the presence or abcense of columbian. This guy could be split How is the chest lacing on the gold laced ? Either way I don't believe I would call either of these guys blue laced reds as that ussually refers to a single laced blue laced red feather, BLR project, work in progress, sure.

I do usually have some issues logging in, but Windows Internet Explorer seems pretty compatible with the new format.

My BLR cockeral looks to me to be close to being correctly colored, but his neck feathers are mostly solid blue instead of red with blue lace. I'll be useing him over some nice DCs later this year, which I sure don't think can produce a proper colored single laced BLR. I would like to own some quality WLRCs because I think that's the cross I would need to get a percentage of proper colored birds in a couple of generations. On the other hand, though I don't know what to call the color, I think a blue double laced red [blue DC?] might look good. I also have a lavender Orp pullet under the darks, hoping for both isabel and lav Cornish in time.

ETA:: After some thought, if his primarily blue neck means he's an incomplete laced, or "tweener" as Big Medicine calls them, I guess half of his offspring from DCs will be double laced, the other half incompletes or tweeners. If his incomplete laced pullets are bred back to him, 25% of the offspring produced should be pure single laced . l

 

[SteveH]

Some more pics of my breeding pen birds

Trying to give you an idea of the large, meaty body plus the lacing of this bird. While the laces are very clearly single, I suspect he's not pure for that characteristic. If he were pure, I think the neck feathers would be red with blue laces, although some do have a flash of red in them. :





These pullets are under the DC cockerals. The muscular black is by a DC cockeral and out of a Black Ameraucana pullet; she has her mothers light frame but carries more meat than an Ameraucana. There's also a large, lavender Orpington pullet you can see in this pic.



A young White Cornish pullet.



P.S. It took over 2 hours to load these pictures and make this post, so I'm understanding why some are not crazy for the new format. LOL

 

[big medicine]

Steve the dark necks are a result of their dark Cornish influence, and some selective breeding based on personal preference. I like the dark necks, really stands out on the blue females. This same bias is showing in my blue laced red Brahma project. I figure if your going to go through all the effort to create your own varieties, you might as well make em like you like them, eh ?

 

[SteveH]

Steve the dark necks are a result of their dark Cornish influence, and some selective breeding based on personal preference. I like the dark necks, really stands out on the blue females. This same bias is showing in my blue laced red Brahma project. I figure if your going to go through all the effort to create your own varieties, you might as well make em like you like them, eh ?

Thanks for the info Gary. So he's probably true single laced?

I agree those project pullets you pictured look sharp with the blue necks, and I would really like to breed a double laced with that pattern. The reason I'm looking for laced necks on the single laced birds is because there's already a bantam BLRC accepted by the APA and ABA, it's supposed to have a laced neck, and it seems logical [to me] that the large fowl version should be the same color. I figure there has to be some other factors that affect lacing besides columbian; one of my DC hens throws pullets with a well defined inner lace, but smudged or absent outer lace. They're great bodied birds, so I have them under my White to produce splits.

While none of this affects them as a meat bird, I figure breeding birds that can also go to a sanctioned show and compete successfully as AOV can't hurt their worth.

 

[big medicine]

Good point, I hadn't thought about the standard's description for BLR bantams. Have not seen one in the flesh for many years.

 

[big medicine]

 

[big medicine]

Trying to figure the new way you post pictures around here now. This is one of the youngsters I have here. Out of the leggier male.

 

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[Totalcolour]

oooh, that's a very pretty bird Big Medicine!

 

[SteveH]

Nice bird, and you've caught a good light to show his colors, but I suspect he's a lighter blue than mine anyway, which is more attractive to me. I think he might be a bit longer in the shank than mine, but mine shows a bit of his Bramah heritage with a little more upright body carriage.

While they're lacking enough Cornish type to suit me, IMO they're more meaty and typey than many hatchery sourced "Cornish". Do you plan to cross him back to some purebred Cornish?