Red vs Mahogany vs Copper

[greybird11]

Here is my two cents for what it’s worth.

The attached buckeye is a nice even mahogany.
The heritage RIRs that were previously posted are a decent example of “Red”.
The attached RIR (not mine) but I have very very similar are a very good deep red outlined in the SOP.
The attached cornish is a decent example of a “copper” color.
Lighting can effect the way color looks very easily. My buckeyes are a wonderful mahogany color but in the shade or poor lighting they can look as dark as that RIR (of which they are not). This was actually mentioned in the creators notes as she described the breed.

 

[ZooAtHome]

Sex link gold(s+)+ Mahogany(Mh/Mh) + Autosomal red(Ap/Ap) + unknown red enhancers can make a bird look so dark they would appear to be nearly black.

For example Spangled OEGB(no they not genetically spangled but recessive mottling instead) are wildtype duckwing in phenotype with all possible red enhancers one could find.

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See? Before this thread, I never would have guessed that red and mahogany genes would make a chicken really dark like that. Love the things I learn here!

Here is my two cents for what it’s worth.

The attached buckeye is a nice even mahogany.
The heritage RIRs that were previously posted are a decent example of “Red”.
The attached RIR (not mine) but I have very very similar are a very good deep red outlined in the SOP.
The attached cornish is a decent example of a “copper” color.
Lighting can effect the way color looks very easily. My buckeyes are a wonderful mahogany color but in the shade or poor lighting they can look as dark as that RIR (of which they are not). This was actually mentioned in the creators notes as she described the breed.

So, in this case, the red bird is the darker of the two? Not the mahogany? Well, geez, that makes things as clear as mud, lol.

Both of those birds are gorgeous though, no matter what color you call them.

I have an Easter Egger that I would consider "copper," though I've never actually heard that color used to describe EEs. Not sure if others would agree though. And yes, I know they are a mix and not a true breed, but I'm just talking color here. When I think "copper" though, this color is exactly what comes to mind; however, she is lighter than your example.

 

[MROO]

To be honest, it never occurred to me as I haven't drawn or painted many chickens ... yet. Just a couple of quick sketches of them so far. I really just dabble and I don't spend nearly as much time on it as I would like. So many other interests in life, my days always seem so full. And for most of the spring, my studio was a chicken brooder. Still cleaning up the dust from that fiasco. Before that, it was a NICU for a trio of sick kittens.

Maybe I'll start an art thread in the hobbies section. Not today though. Today, I am making pickles.

Home-made pickles ... another fine work of art ... not everyone has the touch!

 

[greybird11]

Yes. a true SOP RIR will be darker by today’s standards that a mahogany buckeye. But the buckeye will have a darker shade than the heritage RIR (the color of the RIR from many years ago).

 

[ColtHandorf]

To clarify, the Rhode Island Reds that I posted of my own birds I would not have considered Heritage or show quality, which is why I said I sold them as Production versus Heritage RIR and why I believe they are red, lacking the mahogany gene to darken their plumage.

 

[BigBlueHen53]

My head is spinning! But those are all beautiful birds, @greybird11 !

 

[Amer]

See? Before this thread, I never would have guessed that red and mahogany genes would make a chicken really dark like that. Love the things I learn here!



So, in this case, the red bird is the darker of the two? Not the mahogany? Well, geez, that makes things as clear as mud, lol.

Both of those birds are gorgeous though, no matter what color you call them.

I have an Easter Egger that I would consider "copper," though I've never actually heard that color used to describe EEs. Not sure if others would agree though. And yes, I know they are a mix and not a true breed, but I'm just talking color here. When I think "copper" though, this color is exactly what comes to mind; however, she is lighter than your example.
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That's a pretty EE!

 

[ZooAtHome]

That's a pretty EE!

Indeed, and does she ever know it, lol. She actually poses for the camera. When I bring it out, all the other chickens run away. Meg comes in for a close-up. My little diva.

 

[greybird11]

My head is spinning! But those are all beautiful birds, @greybird11 !

Thank you. To further prove my point; regarding lighting and it’s effects on color... this male appears to be as dark as a SOP RIR but in actuality has a wonderful Mahogany sheen when in proper light. Lighting can make a bird look different shades and be deceiving.

 

[ZooAtHome]

Home-made pickles ... another fine work of art ... not everyone has the touch!

Not to get off the subject, but I worked hard and felt like sharing.