Ribh's D'Coopage

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?
I love my birds. I do everything in my power to give them the best environment, the best food, enough space & not too many flock mates & still too much stuff is going wrong! It is making me feel terrible. I should be doing better than this! Yet last night I noticed my sweet Alpia had a watery eye. This morning she had full blown bubbles.😥

I swabbed her eye with warm water with a little betadine diluted in it & immediately separated her from the rest of the flock ~ which did not make her happy @ all! She has been telling me about it all morning.

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And boy! Did I get an earful!

She has food & water & some sun in the little coop & the 2nd swab I did, I did with a saline solution while giving her the once over in the Big Coop. Her eye is looking better but I am worried about MG. I have scheduled a vet appointment. She may be going to the mainland with us tomorrow or seeing the vet here on Thursday. I am hoping whatever it was I pulled of the lid was what has caused the problems but this is just the sweetest little hen ever. She is friendly, approachable, easily handled ~ not even a lot of squawking while I dabbed @ her eye! She deserves a long & healthy life ~ the best of everything. Instead I am watching her like a hawk for signs of respiratory illness. Any spare prayers for her health would be appreciated.

And yes, I posted in emergencies & diseases ~ only to have the MG suspicion confirmed. :( I've caught it early so hopefully that will make the difference.​
Firstly, you don't know and neither do the people on ER if she has MG.
She has what look like some peck wounds around her eye. MG tends to produce foam rather than bubbles so the watery eye could be a reaction to a peck or foreign object.
I hope your vet is a good one with chickens.

If she does have MG then there is a high probability that some of the others have it to.
If you tell your vet you suspect MG then a disinterested vet will set about treating for MG rather than taking all the symptoms into account.
What was it you pulled from her lid and whereabouts was it?
My reasoning would be it was whatever it was is the probable cause. I would be looking into that rather than letting the ER drama crew make you an emotional wreck.
Don't use saline solution for cleaning a chickens eye. Chickens do not have a water based cleaning system. They are oil based including the eye lubricant. Clean the eye with PH neutral water. Human eye bath solutions are generally okay.
Don't put Betadine in the eye. On the lid is just about okay.
No matter what is wrong with a chicken, the advice here is always to separate it. This is bad advice imo and the opinion of vets here where I live. Separation seems to be an American thing.
The thing that is most likely to make a moderately sick chicken a lot worse is stress!
Chickens like to be with their flock.
In the case of infectious desieses in small contained flocks the probability that it has been passed on by the time you are aware of the problem is so high that separation is pointless.
Look for eye care stuff on the mainland while you're there if you don't already have some.
I don't think and hope it isn't MG given your account. If it is then there are treatments but as you know now, they will be carriers for life.
Good luck Ribh.
 
Firstly, you don't know and neither do the people on ER if she has MG.
She has what look like some peck wounds around her eye. MG tends to produce foam rather than bubbles so the watery eye could be a reaction to a peck or foreign object.
I hope your vet is a good one with chickens.

If she does have MG then there is a high probability that some of the others have it to.
If you tell your vet you suspect MG then a disinterested vet will set about treating for MG rather than taking all the symptoms into account.
What was it you pulled from her lid and whereabouts was it?
My reasoning would be it was whatever it was is the probable cause. I would be looking into that rather than letting the ER drama crew make you an emotional wreck.
Don't use saline solution for cleaning a chickens eye. Chickens do not have a water based cleaning system. They are oil based including the eye lubricant. Clean the eye with PH neutral water. Human eye bath solutions are generally okay.
Don't put Betadine in the eye. On the lid is just about okay.
No matter what is wrong with a chicken, the advice here is always to separate it. This is bad advice imo and the opinion of vets here where I live. Separation seems to be an American thing.
The thing that is most likely to make a moderately sick chicken a lot worse is stress!
Chickens like to be with their flock.
In the case of infectious desieses in small contained flocks the probability that it has been passed on by the time you are aware of the problem is so high that separation is pointless.
Look for eye care stuff on the mainland while you're there if you don't already have some.
I don't think and hope it isn't MG given your account. If it is then there are treatments but as you know now, they will be carriers for life.
Good luck Ribh.
Thanks, Shad. That is excellent advice & much appreciated. She was with Wrold in the little coop for the night But if I have time this morning I will let them rejoin the flock. I'm not sure what I pulled out. Maybe a grass seed ~ which could easily have caused the problem. She has no respiratory symptoms so I am really hopeful.

I don't know what this vet is like. I've never used them before. My regular one is on the mainland & I'm not super thrilled with them & they don't do chickens but they were very good with my cats. This lot are small animals & livestock ~but as she suggested the saline solution, now I'm worried about how good they are. 🙄 The plus is they come to the island so less stress for the chicken. There isn't an avian vet around here so I will hope for the best. It's why I usually try & manage myself. No point getting advice from someone as clueless as I am.
 
Good. I’m hoping Jeannie’s chook gets better though.
Thanks, Butterscotch! I'm feeling calmer this morning. I don't like not knowing what to do when things go wrong & living where we do our initial options are limited. I'd take a course if I could find a decent one @ a price I could afford. :hugs
 
Thanks, Shad. That is excellent advice & much appreciated. She was with Wrold in the little coop for the night But if I have time this morning I will let them rejoin the flock. I'm not sure what I pulled out. Maybe a grass seed ~ which could easily have caused the problem. She has no respiratory symptoms so I am really hopeful.

I don't know what this vet is like. I've never used them before. My regular one is on the mainland & I'm not super thrilled with them & they don't do chickens but they were very good with my cats. This lot are small animals & livestock ~but as she suggested the saline solution, now I'm worried about how good they are. 🙄 The plus is they come to the island so less stress for the chicken. There isn't an avian vet around here so I will hope for the best. It's why I usually try & manage myself. No point getting advice from someone as clueless as I am.
I keep two types of eye drops here Ribh. One is for the eye itself and the other is more of a general wash. They are in this list.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/the-chicken-keepers-health-armoury.75220/
I used to use a saline solution but my vet pointed out that PH neutral water which is what we should use on our eyes is much better. There are eye drops with some type of anesthetic in that I've used in the past which worked well.
Good luck with the vet. Some non avian vets can be good with birds and enjoy doing them because it's unusual for them.
 
@Ribh I am just catching up now. So, sorry about Alpia but you absolutely shouldn't blame yourself and don't anticipate the worst. I am hoping for a full recovery for her.
I am absolutely not putting myself forward as an expert (listen to @Shadrach 1,000x more than me), but I always learned that you should exclude or treat common things where the treatment is harmless before assuming something more complicated, more rare or more difficult to treat.
And for eyes that means irrigating the eye with something neutral just in case it is as simple as she got something in her eye.
Chickens are very dusty and it amazes me that they don't get stuff in their eyes more often.
Good luck with the vet.
:hugs :hugs
 
In the case of infectious desieses in small contained flocks the probability that it has been passed on by the time you are aware of the problem is so high that separation is pointless.
What @Shadrach says here is dead on true. If Alpia has MG, they all do. By the time the symptoms manifest to where you realize it, they all have it. You are not stopping the spread by isolating her, it has already happened. If by some bizarre circumstances they don't all already have it, they will when you reintroduce her. I think he is correct about the isolation.

I'm sorry I did not consider that sooner.
 

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