Thanks Ron. Now that I know I have something to work with, it is coming down to temperment. I have been working with these boys and have already decided that one has to go. I do have two who are willing to be handled without much fuss, come and eat from my hand when I offer treats and are becoming more gentlmanly towards the ladies. I have also been talking to them a lot and I think it is making a difference in how they perceive me. Make no mistake, I still assert myself as the alpha when I need to but they seem to be settling down. I will certainly look into getting a heritage roo come spring.