Russian Orloffs

[Rare Feathers Farm]

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And to answer your last question, yes. The resulting offspring from out-crossing would be mutts for at least 7 years.

Part of an article written by Craig Russell on using one breed to better another:

For all practical purposes, eight cycles yield pure stock. Most large stock breeders with open registries grant Pure status after six generations. In cases where one variety is being graded to another or one strain of a variety or breed is being upgraded by addition of another strain, far fewer cycles are usually required before all of the offspring can be returned to the regular mating system.

 

[OrloffTom]

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And to answer your last question, yes. The resulting offspring from out-crossing would be mutts for at least 7 years.

Ok, thanks for answering that last one

. I didn't know how that all worked and I'm guessing it would take at least that long to get most of the introduced blood line out. Does anyone on here have anything other than spangled?

 

[Rare Feathers Farm]

I have mahogany and might be getting some bantam whites this spring...I know someone else on here is working on cuckoos....

The only ones I'm planning to offer this spring are the bantam & large spangleds, though. The Mahogany aren't laying yet and I'd like to work on them for another year before I offer any eggs for sale...

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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It does SAY Rose comb, but then goes on to describe a Walnut Comb.

There are other varieties in the US, but my understanding is that they are no where near the former standard, yet, and are, of course, exceedingly rare and unavailable. (possible exception of the Mahogany, but still very hard to come by.) I am hoping to get my hands on some blacks this summer, they are in the states.

I don't know about chickens, but in rabbits (also judged on phenotype and appearance...you don't need a certified pedigree or registration in either species for it to be shown,) after 4 generations of breeding back to the desired breed after an outcross, and provided it is meeting standard and breeding true, it is considered once again "pure".

 

[mississippifarmboy]

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Spangled and Mahogany large fowl here and working on a project "party" coloed, just for kicks and giggles. All large fowl. I won't be selling any for a least a couple more years of any of the colors as I'm working on getting the size and carriage.

 

[Chris09]

The Russian's APA standard called for-
COMB: Rose, narrow at the rear, without spike, and bright red.
The spike is the "tail" so the comb would still have all the points making it different from a Walnut Comb

The Walnut type comb we see on the Russian today is most likely do to crossing them back to a Pea comb breed.
Rose x Pea would result in a Walnut type comb.


Chris

 

[shelleyb1969]

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I have cuckoo, as well as spangled.

 

[OrloffTom]

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Wow, thank Chris

. So, what type comb should we be going for? I'm just very interested in the preservation of the breed and I don't want to go into breeding them blindly. Are there any of the varieties more rare than the other? And are most of the other varieties suffering from the same things (comb, carriage, etc.)?


What variety would this one be?

 

[Chris09]

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Your welcome.
As for what type of comb should we be breeding for that is hard to answer with no true standard for the breed. If you go off the old APA standard for the Russian, then it would be a Rose, narrow at the rear, without spike, that is bright red.

Are there any of the varieties more rare than the other

I would say Black is hard to find.

And are most of the other varieties suffering from the same things (comb, carriage, etc.)

I would say for the most part yes.

What variety would this one be?

Black Mottled.

Chris​

 

[OrloffTom]

Hehe, Chris the answering machine! Thanks I appreciate it. I think that picture is beautiful. Here is the site I got the pic from. They are from the UK so that won't help us much state-side but here is the link http://www.russianorloffs.com/ It's pretty neat reading through the diary they have and it is up to date and they have quite a few pictures. Maybe could give us some ideas and see if theirs is suffering from the same problems like the US ones are.