Salmonella and death of young drake

[JadeComputerGal]

Whew. I took a quick nap … Here is an article about using oregano http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/s...ry-oregano-as-antibiotic-substitute.html?_r=0

There may be recommended doses somewhere - but I generally feel that a weak tea added to water (not very scientific at this stage) may be an idea.

Or, I might finely chop the oregano and sprinkle a couple of tablespoons on top of their water and see how it goes. We can overdo it even with fairly benign things like herbs - so I would urge anyone to do their due diligence on how much, how often.

Perhaps someone has some recommendations they can offer. I think there are some natural poultry raising sites that probably share what they use.

First State Vet sells this:
http://www.firststatevetsupply.com/...f-oregano-with-piperine-120-ml-cc-bottle.html

I have no idea how beneficial it is, but thought I'd share the link.

-Kathy

Thanks, Amiga & Kathy!!!

For anyone who tries Kathy's link, it looks like some great stuff but the website crashed my mobile browser repeatedly. It worked fine from a PC (both laptop and desktop using Firefox). Just wanted to let you know in case you try it from an iPad or other mobile device and can't get to it.

 

[casportpony]

Thanks, Amiga & Kathy!!!

For anyone who tries Kathy's link, it looks like some great stuff but the website crashed my mobile browser repeatedly. It worked fine from a PC (both laptop and desktop using Firefox). Just wanted to let you know in case you try it from an iPad or other mobile device and can't get to it.

Also works on my PC using Explorer, Chrome and Firefox. Just for grins I'll check it on my ipad. For those that decide not to view the link, this is what the page looks like:


-Kathy

 

[silversong]

The product was Beryl’s Friendly Bacteria, but it's from the UK. I used to use a product that was similar on puppies years ago called Benebac, though it came in Yummy (to dog) gel form at that time.

The old hen passed last night.

This was our first (and possibly last) foray into ducks. We have a small flock consisting of a total (now) of 5 young birds (three from the hatchery, two our own hatching from purchased eggs this spring). We live in the country with a lot of varied wildlife that passes through our yard.

At this point, would it be best to assume the young chickens have been in contact with the salmonella and treat with antibiotics? Along with adding beneficial bacteria as a preventative measure? What product would you recommend for disinfecting the coop, waterers/feeders and yard?

Thanks for your feedback, it's helpful to have!

Jennifer

 

[JadeComputerGal]

The product was Beryl’s Friendly Bacteria, but it's from the UK. I used to use a product that was similar on puppies years ago called Benebac, though it came in Yummy (to dog) gel form at that time.

The old hen passed last night.

This was our first (and possibly last) foray into ducks. We have a small flock consisting of a total (now) of 5 young birds (three from the hatchery, two our own hatching from purchased eggs this spring). We live in the country with a lot of varied wildlife that passes through our yard.

At this point, would it be best to assume the young chickens have been in contact with the salmonella and treat with antibiotics? Along with adding beneficial bacteria as a preventative measure? What product would you recommend for disinfecting the coop, waterers/feeders and yard?

Thanks for your feedback, it's helpful to have!

Jennifer

You can buy the bacteria here-->http://www.chickenvet.co.uk/shop/view/index.aspx/product/beryls-12-bird-sachet--75 , but please read the caution where it says it's not recommended for US customers, which would apply to you even though you're in Canada since it's about the same shipping distance. I have no idea if it would be a waste of your money since it might be dead by the time it arrives for you. There are many pre- and probiotics available for poultry now, so what I personally would do is to find a good product locally.

I would talk with whomever did the necropsy about treating the rest of the flock. The antibiotics used to treat Salmonella aren't available here without a prescription. There are some broad-spectrum antibiotics for it, but it's best to know the specific strain. Since you've already had a necropsy done, the vet will know which strain affected yours and how best to treat it.

I'm very sorry about your hen.

 

[casportpony]

In the US it very easy to get antibiotics to treat salmonella without a prescription, but in Canada it would be quite difficult, though I guess one could try to order it and take their chances.

Would I treat my whole flock with antibiotics? Probably not, but I would get baseline weights on all of them, de-worm them and I might even treat for coccidiosis with amprolium, which you can get in Canada. After that I might think about giving some some avian specific probiotics, then weigh them weekly and of course I'd be watching for any signs of illness. My thought on this would be to rule out things like worms and coccidia that could weaken their immune system.

Disclaimer: I know nothing about salmonella except for what I just read. Like @JadeComputerGal mentioned, it would be best to consult with the pathologist that did the necropsy or an avian vet.

-Kathy

 

[JadeComputerGal]

In the US it very easy to get antibiotics to treat salmonella without a prescription, but in Canada it would be quite difficult, though I guess one could try to order it and take their chances.

Would I treat my whole flock with antibiotics? Probably not, but I would get baseline weights on all of them, de-worm them and I might even treat for coccidiosis with amprolium, which you can get in Canada. After that I might think about giving some some avian specific probiotics, then weigh them weekly and of course I'd be watching for any signs of illness. My thought on this would be to rule out things like worms and coccidia that could weaken their immune system.

Disclaimer: I know nothing about salmonella except for what I just read. Like @JadeComputerGal mentioned, it would be best to consult with the pathologist that did the necropsy or an avian vet.

-Kathy

Sorry about that! I had no idea you could get any of those without a prescription from a vet. Maybe that's just what vets lead you to believe so you have to come see them. Can you tell me where you get yours? I'd really like to have some of the more common ones on hand just in case unless they're so expensive that it's not worth paying for them then throwing them out in a year if you don't use them.

 

[casportpony]

Just had a thought... The necropsies done in the states would have included cultures and sensitivity testing, so if that were done with your duck, your report would show which antibiotics would work.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

In the US it very easy to get antibiotics to treat salmonella without a prescription, but in Canada it would be quite difficult, though I guess one could try to order it and take their chances.


Would I treat my whole flock with antibiotics? Probably not, but I would get baseline weights on all of them, de-worm them and I might even treat for coccidiosis with amprolium, which you can get in Canada. After that I might think about giving some some avian specific probiotics, then weigh them weekly and of course I'd be watching for any signs of illness. My thought on this would be to rule out things like worms and coccidia that could weaken their immune system.


Disclaimer: I know nothing about salmonella except for what I just read. Like [@=/u/276626/JadeComputerGal]@JadeComputerGal[/@] mentioned, it would be best to consult with the pathologist that did the necropsy or an avian vet.


-Kathy

Sorry about that! I had no idea you could get any of those without a prescription from a vet. Maybe that's just what vets lead you to believe so you have to come see them. Can you tell me where you get yours? I'd really like to have some of the more common ones on hand just in case unless they're so expensive that it's not worth paying for them then throwing them out in a year if you don't use them.

No need to be sorry . Yes, that's what vets want us to think, but my vets know I'm wise and tease me about my "stash", lol. Anyway, one can buy a bottle of generic Baytril for about $25. It's a small bottle, but would last most people a long time. Baytril is what i prefer because it can be given orally or by injection and since it's liquid, one can dose very small birds with it, but it is banned for use in poultry, so that's something one should think about before buying it. Not quite sure how these places get away with selling, but they do.

-Kathy

 

[JadeComputerGal]

No need to be sorry

. Yes, that's what vets want us to think, but my vets know I'm wise and tease me about my "stash", lol. Anyway, one can buy a bottle of generic Baytril for about $25. It's a small bottle, but would last most people a long time. Baytril is what i prefer because it can be given orally or by injection and since it's liquid, one can dose very small birds with it, but it is banned for use in poultry, so that's something one should think about before buying it. Not quite sure how these places get away with selling, but they do.

-Kathy

Still sorry because I don't like to give people incorrect information.

Is it possible to get other things in animal grade without a prescription? I'd like to have some things like erythromycin, amoxicillin, tetracycline, and especially Tylosin. I'm almost positive the last one requires a prescription.

Thanks, Kathy! You're always a great help!

 

[casportpony]

No need to be sorry . Yes, that's what vets want us to think, but my vets know I'm wise and tease me about my "stash", lol. Anyway, one can buy a bottle of generic Baytril for about $25. It's a small bottle, but would last most people a long time. Baytril is what i prefer because it can be given orally or by injection and since it's liquid, one can dose very small birds with it, but it is banned for use in poultry, so that's something one should think about before buying it. Not quite sure how these places get away with selling, but they do.


-Kathy

Still sorry because I don't like to give people incorrect information.

Is it possible to get other things in animal grade without a prescription? I'd like to have some things like erythromycin, amoxicillin, tetracycline, and especially Tylosin. I'm almost positive the last one requires a prescription.

Thanks, Kathy! You're always a great help!

I will do some searching and get you sources for all the drugs you listed. Tetracycline, oxytetracyline and injectable Tylosin are available at Tractor supply, but for some reason the powdered tylosin is a little harder to find, but it's out there. Other drugs, like Cephalexin, SMZ/TMP, metronidazole, Cipro and Augmentin are also available. Then there are the anti-fungals like ketoconazole, fluconazole and nystatin, they're also available. Hmmm, maybe I'll put together a list of all of them.

-Kathy